rogue_pixie said:

mndfreeze said:

reality is defined by the masses and mass perception. There is no better method available to us to make decisions based on.

If you want to argue the definition, you have to take that up with the rest of the world, not me, as I personally do not make the definitions up to suit my descriptive needs.

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You are one seperate being so what the masses percieve doesn't mean tuppence to your reality. "mentally ill" patients are only deemed as mentally ill because they are not part of your percieved objective reality. The objective reality will always be subjective, you can't escape it.

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Phishgrrl said:

I'm talking about the essence within the organic psychedelics: their spirits....they convey that to us if we only listen.



And the ideas as beings theory was kind of separate from what I said above...kind of....I mean, they could be using us to replicate themselves....

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kaiowas said:

reality: the state or quality of being real


so you are saying emotions aren't real?

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chronic777 said:

Damn this thread blew up quick!

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kaiowas said:

so you are saying emotions aren't real?

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Adom said:

Please don't, it will take every ounce of enjoyment out of it for me.

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chronic777 said:
Damn this thread blew up quick!

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because many of it's implications are VERY important. almost tempted to move this into S&P...almost....

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stefan said:

ideas using us to reproduce themselves? imo no. ideas are created in peoples minds, it's not like peoples minds are used for the transfer of ideas.

> their spirits....they convey that to us if we only listen
I believe it's more of an ego dissolution; while on shrooms you're less me me me and more us, the world etc. that's my opinion on it, the short version
But there can be learnes valuable lessons from this ego dissolution, if we only listen

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Definitley that's a component of the plants....I think there are different messengers from the plant world and so on....some of them have more subtle voices.  Obviously the queen of the green, marijuana, and the mushrooms, and lady salvia have extra special powers as messengers....once they dissolve our egos, we can hear what they need to tell us.  They are all a little different, but have some of the same overriding themes.


But yes, mndfreeze, every single different variety of plant, insect, rock, etc., has it's own voice, (in my opinion and experience) but most of us can only hear the loud ones.  There are certain things we can do with our lives and our bodies that enable us to hear even the ones with the quiet voices, and allow them to affect us.  "We are what we eat" is a crude but simple way of summing it up.

mndfreeze said:

Reality is not subjective, but objective. So far everyone here has talked about perception of reality, not reality itself.

Just beacuse its real to YOU doesnt make it REALITY as reality is based on more then just your perception, but instead MANY's perception.

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Phishgrrl said:

mndfreeze said:

Reality is not subjective, but objective. So far everyone here has talked about perception of reality, not reality itself.

Just beacuse its real to YOU doesnt make it REALITY as reality is based on more then just your perception, but instead MANY's perception.

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I think what Kaiowas was saying though, if he doesn't mind, is that of course there is objective reality, the mighty laws of nature.

But that subjective reality also needs to be validated in order for us to be who we are....

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rogue_pixie said:

Reality if for sheep. Think outside the sphere, dude.

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Ive spent many years and hundreds and hundreds of times outside the 'sphere' of 'reality'.  Maybe you jsut need to get back IN the sphere and re-read definitions.