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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: veggie] * 5
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PF tek works for semps and you don’t need much due to the potency.

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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: The Tao] * 1
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Beautiful semp cakes, Tao. :thumbup:

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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: veggie]
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Yea I thought the All in one bags I bought have been sterilised though. They have the injection port.
And the spore syringe is from a lab and states they are viable 🀷

No pressure cooker.

Ive got a SAB and 70% iso so far.

Im going to order some pre poured agar plates and will do some. But really thought the aio bags were designed to make it easier πŸ€”

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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: qwobbler]
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Veggie is right

Spores are basically always contammed with something even if they're from a lab, thats just the nature of the beast

The spores being viable means they will germinate, but so will the bacteria and friends that hitched a ride with the spores

You're better off putting the spores to agar to clean it up and then making your own (clean) LiquidCulture to inject into the bag

Just looking out for ya, we don't want you to waste your money and then get frustrated when things go south

Edited by langten69 (10/08/26 03:10 AM)

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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: langten69] * 1
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Nah mate thats why im here, I need looking out for πŸ˜…

All good, I now have a sab, agar plates, scalpels and isopropyl 😎

Ill get the spores on the agar and do it properly.

Cheers man

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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: qwobbler]
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Something confusing me though, how can ya just inject spore syringes into pf tek cakes but not into a aio bag?

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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: qwobbler]
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The mycelium moves through the PF cakes while any bacteria tends to stay in place. AIO bags and grain jars get shaken or mixed which spreads any bacteria around. Breaking up PF cakes to bulk substrates will spread bacteria through the substrate. That’s why PF cakes are  generally left intact.
Spore syringes are considered to be contaminated but can be clean enough to work with PF while a badly  contaminated syringe has too much of a bacterial or other contaminant load.
A purchased spore syringe injected into a purchased AIO bag where you know nothing about the quality control of either means you can’t troubleshoot if problems arise.
They make it sound easy, sometimes it works out but there are better ways.
This place has better ways.

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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: The Tao]
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Thanks πŸ™‚

Ok, ill clean it up on a agar plate and get a clean liquid culture rocking 😎

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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: qwobbler]
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qwobbler  asked:

Something confusing me though, how can ya just inject spore syringes into pf tek cakes but not into a aio bag?



That is the beauty of doing the pf-tek in that it is resistant to bacterial contamination. When the pf-tek was invented some 35 years ago by Robert McPherson that was how he designed it.

The jar is a small block of BRF and verm substrate topped with layer of of verm on top. The inoculation is evenly distributed through the four holes and mycelium will outrun any bacteria and the jar will be fully colonized before the bacteria can take hold.

A bag with premixed grain and coir will be more prone to contamination due to uneven distribution and a much smaller chance of spores germinating.

Inoculating agar is best done with spores from a print, mycelium, or a pin. Spore syringes are best used with BRF.

Your best bet would be to do pf-jars especially without a pc. Cakes will produce less overall mushrooms than a bulk substrate, but the advantage is the ease and lack of skill and a high rate of success.


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qwobbler  said:
Ok, ill clean it up on a agar plate and get a clean liquid culture rocking 😎



Liquid culture can be fine tool. But I would suggest not trying to make an LC until you have your agar game perfected. Unless your agar is 100% clean you will make a dirty lc and result in a contaminated grow. Really, stick to the pf-tek for now.

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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: veggie]
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Cheers for that info.

Aorta feel like ive gone and bought the wrong stuff then πŸ˜…

I have the aio bags, spore syringes, sab, isopropyl, agar plates and scaples.

I dont have access to a pressure cooker.

I can get premade sterilised uninocculated liquid cuture jars delivered to my home, was hoping to get one and clean up the spore syringe on agar then make the liquid cuture.

I did do pf tek years ago, made my own spore print from wild mushrooms and cleaned them up to make some good cakes! So I think im confident in getting it clean enough.

What do yas think? What should I do with what I got?

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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: qwobbler] * 1
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Haha hilarious.. I just found an old print in a book πŸ˜… maybe 10 years old. Reckon thats still good? Cubes from North Queensland Australia 😎

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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: qwobbler]
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I'd do some PFtek, you're already familiar with it, you have the syringes, and it's the best bet for success.

And your print may be OK- might be slow to germinate, but worth a shot! There's a thread somewhere on oldest print that someone got to germinate, don't remember the record but 10 years wasn't the limit. If they haven't seen high temps probably ok.


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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: bluescreen] * 1
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bluescreen said:
I'd do some PFtek, you're already familiar with it, you have the syringes, and it's the best bet for success.

And your print may be OK- might be slow to germinate, but worth a shot! There's a thread somewhere on oldest print that someone got to germinate, don't remember the record but 10 years wasn't the limit. If they haven't seen high temps probably ok.



To build on this a bit: slow doesn't mean it won't fruit or it's dying or anything like that.  Slow's just slow.  I had a block that took months to fully colonize from some spawn (that also took a hot minute) made w/ a jank-ass homemade spore syringe.  But, it fruits fairly steadily and I don't gotta do much o' fuck all w/ it cept spritz it w/ some water now and then.

Don't give up on a grow just cuz it's slow!

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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: qwobbler]
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qwobbler said:
Cheers for that info.

Aorta feel like ive gone and bought the wrong stuff then πŸ˜…

I have the aio bags, spore syringes, sab, isopropyl, agar plates and scaples.

I dont have access to a pressure cooker.

I can get premade sterilised uninocculated liquid cuture jars delivered to my home, was hoping to get one and clean up the spore syringe on agar then make the liquid cuture.

I did do pf tek years ago, made my own spore print from wild mushrooms and cleaned them up to make some good cakes! So I think im confident in getting it clean enough.

What do yas think? What should I do with what I got?



This depends

If you are gonna start with the equipment you have now, PF Tek is your option with the highest success probability

If you want to get pre made (sterilized) LC, you can clean up your spores then innoc the LC then innoc the AIO with the clean LC

Veggie is right when he says LC is for those who have perfected their Agar game, but IME that takes a while (months), but you could get lucky on your first try and make a perfectly clean LC

If you are going to get a PC, then you can treat the AIO bag as its own experiment and inncoculate it with your LC that you assume is clean (results may vary depending on how well your agar game is)

If I were to give you advice on what will work most of the time, do PF Tek

I would also advise you to not treat the AIO bag as your final shot at making shrooms. if it messes up, learn from it and keep going until you get it right :thumbup:

Do everything in Your power to make it work, if it does...great, if not, try again

Edited by langten69 (10/08/26 02:45 PM)

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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: langten69] * 1
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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: idontknow1]
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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: The Tao]
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The Tao said:
PF tek works for semps and you don’t need much due to the potency.




I totally missed this! I'd love to do semps. I have no access to prints or syringes where I am though 😞

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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: qwobbler] * 1
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And so cool, I found a vendor with lc syringes so I can use the aio bags along side with my pf tek 😎

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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: qwobbler]
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Ive seen some stealth grows of Cannabis within unplugged mini-fridges. I dont see why you couldnt use one for mushrooms. Personally, Ive used a small wooden cabinet armoire as well. Just gotta seal the edges with weather stripping (as already mentioned in the thread) so the artificial light source inside doesnt shine out of the cabinet.


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Re: Stealth grow options [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
Ive seen some stealth grows of Cannabis within unplugged mini-fridges. I dont see why you couldnt use one for mushrooms. Personally, Ive used a small wooden cabinet armoire as well. Just gotta seal the edges with weather stripping (as already mentioned in the thread) so the artificial light source inside doesnt shine out of the cabinet.



Could you smell it from the outside?

Im looking to grow cannabis in an apartment and Im exploring the options of stealth...

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