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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: sudly]
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Circumstantial evidence is what it is.  Giving it 60 years then we'll get files prove it one way or another.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: vicepope] * 1
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Some of the strongest evidence we have is circumstantial.  DNA evidence is circumstantial.  That's not the problem with the evidence.  It's that the inference being made isn't rational.  Every Mossad agent has people in his/her life that are not mossad agents.  Applying the inference that being close with a mossad agent means one is a mossad agent ultimately results in the inference that nearly everyone on the planet is a mossad agent.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Nobody said he was a mossad agent, they said he was a mossad asset.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
Nobody said he was a mossad agent, they said he was a mossad asset.



sudly said:
How is epstein not mossad?




Of course, no one has presented any evidence that he was a mossad asset either.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Some of the strongest evidence we have is circumstantial.  DNA evidence is circumstantial.  That's not the problem with the evidence.  It's that the inference being made isn't rational.  Every Mossad agent has people in his/her life that are not mossad agents.  Applying the inference that being close with a mossad agent means one is a mossad agent ultimately results in the inference that nearly everyone on the planet is a mossad agent.



Who else had such close ties?

Not everyone else on the planet, that's for sure.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: sudly]
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I think you're missing the point.  If everyone with close ties is mossad, then everyone with close ties with those people are mossad...and everyone with close ties to those people are mossad...etc.

Eventually, everyone is mossad.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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It's circumstantial evidence and alleged connections between Jeffrey Epstein and intelligence agencies.

A genocide in Gaza is also alleged.

What's the difference when neither is yet a legal conviction?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Evidence that he had close ties with Mossad agents is evidence that he had close ties with mossad agents...not that he was a mossad agent.  I haven't read the epstein files, so I can't say whether there is even evidence of close ties.  Again...before making a claim, be able to back it.  It's not anyone else's burden to fact check your claims.  It's yours to produce evidence to support a claim.

While I know you didn't make the claim, it was claimed that lawmakers were controlled by a pedophile ring run by Mossad.  Turned out that dude meant that Epstein texted a non-voting member of congress and made suggestions for changes to a law. You can clearly see the difference between the claim and the evidence for the claim.  There are a whole lot of assumptions and irrational conclusions betweeen the two.




lol that was 2 examples of influence epstein wielded over policy and US lawmakers. which you initially said didn't exist. there is more evidence, that you're obviously not aware of, so if I were you, I wouldn't sound so confident



Edited by AlChemicalResearch (09/24/26 05:00 AM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch]
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Is it a problem that I find Epstein bad writing macth my own.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch]
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Epstein helped Russia and Israel back channel to oust Syrian president
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/jeffrey-epstein-ehud-barak-putin-israel-russia-syria-war-depose-assad

Epstein helps Israel increase its hacking activities in Mongolia
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/jeffrey-epstein-ehud-barak-leaked-emails-mongolia-security-deal

Epstein helped sell Israeli spyware in the Ivory Coast
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/jeffrey-epstein-israel-surveillance-state-cote-d-ivoire-ehud-barak-leaked-emails

Epstein housed Mossad agent
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/israeli-spy-yoni-koren-stayed-jeffrey-epstein-apartment-ehud-barak

There's a wiki article on all the "alleged connections"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_connections_between_Jeffrey_Epstein_and_intelligence_agencies


The cameras installed on Epstein Island were installed by the Israeli government
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/epstein-files-mossad-ties-surveillance-1780117



Saying there is no evidence, or out of context circumstantial evidence, is just being intellectually dishonest.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch]
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Your articles talk about alleged connections and possibilities and there's allot of claims with no evidence to support them but There's no real evidence of anything .


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said:
Your articles talk about alleged connections and possibilities and there's allot of claims with no evidence to support them but There's no real evidence of anything .




There is direct evidence for each of these in the epstein files. you won't look cause you don't want to know, you want to be able to say that this is all a conspiracy theory. you want to imagine that the only thing about the epstein files is that trump's name is in them, and that is proof that he raped and murdered hundreds of girls, but that's the only thing in them that is true, even though there isn't any of that in the epstein files.

also, it it directly says all this in the articles I posted.

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On February 21, 2014, Epstein wrote to Barak, “with civil unrest exploding in ukraine syria, somolia [sic], libya, and the desperation of those in power, isn’t this perfect for you.” Barak replied: “You’re right [in] a way. But not simple to transform it into a cash flow. A subject for Saturday.”



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May 9, 2013, former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak emailed his close friend Jeffrey Epstein with an urgent message. “R U awake? if yes, pl call,” Barak wrote Epstein, at 1 a.m. in New York. Shortly after they spoke, Barak emailed again to ask Epstein to keep their conversation private: “jeff pl don’t share the info with any of our friends.”

Epstein replied: “Of course not. I think you should let Putin know you will be in Moscow. See if he wants private time.”



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. Epstein, for instance, asked Barak to wait until they could speak privately before Barak notified intelligence leaders of a deal with Vekselberg: “do not go to number 1 too quickly, I understnad more now so we should speak.” The euphemism “number 1” is a moniker used to refer to the head of the Mossad, dating back to Barak’s days as director of Israeli military intelligence, when the Mossad director’s identity was kept secret.



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As the Renova contract was being finalized—a $1 million advance and a $1 million quarterly retainer—Barak planned a trip to Moscow on May 12 to meet with Vekselberg.

A few hours after Barak informed Epstein of his Moscow plans, Epstein shared some intelligence about one of Putin’s interlocutors, the head of the Council of Europe: “on may 20 [thorbjorn] jagland is going to see putin in sochi, jagland asked that I make myself availble to meet with him sometine in june, to explain how russia can structure deals in order to encourage western investment, I never met him, wanted you to know.” Barak, who was working closely with Epstein to cut deals in the Eurasian energy sector, wrote back: “i know Jagland for long time. probably we have to talk about it.”

Epstein responded with a short list of past and present American national security leaders who, his response implied, could also be useful in Russia talks. He wrote, “Ok, panetta??, Alexander, Clarke?”—likely referring to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, NSA Director Keith Alexander, and Cybersecurity Czar Richard Clarke.



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Epstein once bragged to a journalist that he “often flew to Moscow to see Vladimir Putin,” and enjoyed close ties with Russian business and political elites. The American financier specialized in moving money across borders, and his expertise would be useful in stemming capital flight from Russia amid Putin’s crackdown on “foreign agents.”

On May 22, 2013, Epstein informed Barak he’d received—and rejected—an invitation to meet with Putin at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum the next month: “Putin asked that i meet him in st petersburg the same time as his economic conference…i told him no, . If he wants to meet he will need to set aside real time and privacy.”



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With Julius Baer’s help, Barak swiftly locked in his appointment. In less than 24 hours, Ushakov’s office confirmed the appointment time. Barak wrote back, trying to convey the urgency and importance of the meeting: “I’d never spent the time of the President and won’t do it now. The meeting IS important. So make sure it’s done during the SPEIF.”



Thats for the first link. Actually read the articles and you will find you are intellecturally bankrupt

Edited by AlChemicalResearch (09/24/26 08:19 AM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch] * 1
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AlChemicalResearch said:
gww said:
Pointing out comparisons of americas hitler to germanys is not partisan but is good political intelligence and ability to debate.  When true, it is not hyperbole.  It would be more hyperbole to try and hide the comparisons.

I mean, when the shoe fits and we know the outcome from history, hiding it will do no good.  It is not over yet.  It is not the guy saying I love trump but lets try something different that is going to be the communicator that is going to lead.  It is going to be the guy who says we will tear down his reichstag ball room that is going to be the communicator you speak of becoming leaders.




well when 2028 comes around, and we haven't had an american hitler, be sure to help the democrats kill off a bunch of people then blame it on trump. at this point that is more likely than trump actually going about and committing a genocide.

I mean the democrats literally made something a felony AFTER trump did it and then charged him with 34 counts of it and tried to put him in jail for it. Meanwhile, not 3 years prior Hilary Clinton did it and got a 180,000$ slap on the wrist. I would say that is almost as corrupt as a crypto rug pull scheme



We have laws and they were not created by the Democrats to trap Trump or the Republicans. What he did is AKA 'cooking the books'..

"The jurors said they unanimously agreed that Trump falsified business records to conceal a $130,000 hush money payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels to influence the outcome of the 2016 election."



What happened with Hillary: (if this incident is what you mean)

The Clinton/DNC Case:

Paying for opposition research is entirely legal under federal election law. The violation occurred strictly because the campaign and the party mislabeled the purpose of the payment on their mandatory public financial reports, describing it as "legal services" instead of opposition research.

Resolution & Penalty: Settled out of court without admitting wrongdoing. Fines totaled $113,000 ($8,000 for the Clinton campaign; $105,000 for the DNC).

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: XUL]
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Not sure why we're talking about Epstein and Mossad. Its not like Mossad was tricking people into becoming pedophiles.

I guess youre suggesting Mossad was recording their activities on the island to blackmail people?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: AlChemicalResearch]
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Thats for the first link. Actually read the articles and you will find you are intellecturally bankrupt



 
There's no undeniable proof Epstein was a mossad agent anywhere in the Epstein files and nothing you posted proves that either  . All that proves is that he had friends and business relationships .


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said:
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Thats for the first link. Actually read the articles and you will find you are intellecturally bankrupt



 
There's no undeniable proof Epstein was a mossad agent anywhere in the Epstein files and nothing you posted proves that either  . All that proves is that he had friends and business relationships .



Nobody said anything about him being an agent, the key word is ASSET, and nobody said its written in stone he was, but he does stink of spy agency golden boy.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: lowbrow]
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It kinda looks like he tried to help a dude named Barak make money after he left the Israeli govt .


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said:
It kinda looks like he tried to help a dude named Barak make money after he left the Israeli govt .



Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak? Did he make money?

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: ShroomDad]
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Yes , he was prime M 15 years before all this and officially retired from govt , some will say " retired " though  . Epstein could have maybe made money if not for the conviction and suicide .

 
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Epstein Could Have Made $100 Million On A Secret Police Tech Investment




  https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/02/10/epstein-police-surveillance-investments-with-ehud-barak/


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