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The Truffle Megathread
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Having heard from quite a few people on here interested in truffles, I am starting this thread in the hopes of hearing the outcomes of others' experiments, and sharing my own.

On my agenda is that I have started an agar culture of Tuber Aestivum, about 3 weeks ago. I'm going to get a picture tomorrow and decide whether it's in a ready state to use for liquid culture.

Edited by CreonAntigone (08/25/26 03:07 AM)

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Re: The Truffle Megathread [Re: CreonAntigone]
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I just read this article and it's pretty neat and different. Because of truffles producing fragrances in culture people have started a lot of businesses selling mycelium extracts as truffle flavor.

https://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/fungus-among-us-bozeman-scientists-patent-novel-process-for-growing-truffles-in-a-lab/article_560aba0c-55cc-4459-ab50-b681b60b46c9.html

This article describes a new biotechnology company that is selling truffle powder. The description of how they 'isolated the fungus' is so odd - adding one drop of a different fungi that is meant produce gases that kill the other bacteria/fungi present

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That fungus, named muscodor crispans or B-23 for short, was found by Strobel in a wild pineapple in the Bolivian Amazon rainforest. He discovered upon transporting the specimen that the fungus emitted a toxic, smelly gas that killed the other microorganisms in the same container.

Indeed, B-23 demonstrated significant antibacterial and antimicrobial properties. It also happened to be a distant relative of the truffle fungus.

Some years later, when Black Boar Truffles owner Kelly Gaisford approached Strobel, a family friend, for help with isolating the truffle fungi, he had an idea. Perhaps exposing truffle tissue to the B-23 fungus would kill every organism inhibiting it from growing in a lab and leave only the pure truffle culture.

It worked.

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“We spent so long — years — trying to find someone to isolate the truffle strain, and it was starting to feel impossible,” said Gaisford, who approached a fungal strain bank in the Netherlands and previously worked with another scientist who developed a truffle culture that ultimately died in storage.

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To start the process, Strobel breaks open a freshly harvested truffle. He then places truffle tissues on a petri dish around a small cup with one drop of the B-23 solution. From there, the tissues are left for several weeks while the gases emitted from the B-23 cup kill the other microorganisms naturally found within truffles.

The result is a pure truffle culture, free from any contaminants.

Spores from the pure culture are then placed in plastic, air-tight “grow bags” filled with substrate, which is the organic material that fungi break down as their mycelium, or roots, colonize their environment. The grow bags are kept in a dark, temperature-controlled room where they sit for about six weeks as the truffle cultures mature.




They talk about trouble isolating truffles, although isolating a clone on agar is not particularly complicated. However perhaps they wanted something even more isolated than a fruit body clone to properly grow it on sterile grains - perhaps the bacteria was still too high in such a clone, and they were getting contaminants until they started doing this stuff with B-23.

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Re: The Truffle Megathread [Re: CreonAntigone]
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And this one is even more interesting, a Japanese researcher who in 1997 grew white truffles in a test tube, so he claims. It seems that he added soil after the growth of the mycelium which mimics the soil of natural truffle ground (to provide the microbial impetus), and then after initial formation he cold-shocked them.

Also Strobel, from the article I shared last post, apparently has a patent claiming to have grown 'mini truffles' on pecan agar.

But we don't have a documented experiment in either case that isolated ascospores. They might well be something like a sclerotia.

Lastly, the most interesting one which I think is real evidence of in-vitro fruiting, because we have pictures. A Singaporean company called Grower Agritech posted pictures of what they said were in-vitro grown truffles. Looking at more details, they say the process can grow truffles indoors and takes 7 months, down from the potential 7 years in orchards. Here is a picture of their white truffle completed, you can see the gleba and peridium, so it does look like a real fruit body.

Their black truffles look less impressive but we can't get a good look at the inside from this.

Oddly, if this company really did fruit a white truffle invitro in 7 months it would be a massive million or billion dollar opportunity, and it looks like they really did. They even got a 50k grant from the Singapore government at the start of their venture. But the whole company has since shuttered, website offline, no update. So it seems like either it turned out to be a fluke they couldn't replicate, it was a fake, or their funding completely dried up and they had no investors.

Here is the Grower Agritech 'white truffle'.




Edited by CreonAntigone (08/28/26 02:14 PM)

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Re: The Truffle Megathread [Re: CreonAntigone]
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That really is cool I wonder where they are at now with it. I need to get some truffles to experiment with. Very interesting organisms.

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Re: The Truffle Megathread [Re: Ascocarp]
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Summer truffle season is ending but they are still available for a few weeks.

I like using this market, they currently have on offer a $13 small summer truffle.

You can use this to create a spore solution with just water and inoculate a few small trees.

It's best to use trees that are already a few months old - if just starting the trees one would want to use just a small amount of spores, a few drops, and wait before introducing more.

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Re: The Truffle Megathread [Re: CreonAntigone]
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I haven't read very much of the literature. I did look at the studies you posted which were very interesting. Hard to say how legit their successes were or if they're just prying for more research funds.

If you're going to inoculate saplings, do you think it's best to use freshly sterilized soil?

I'm not sure what, if any, biological interplays happen with truffles, the trees and other microorganisms (besides the mycorrhizal connections)

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Re: The Truffle Megathread [Re: deadmandave]
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deadmandave said:
I haven't read very much of the literature. I did look at the studies you posted which were very interesting. Hard to say how legit their successes were or if they're just prying for more research funds.

If you're going to inoculate saplings, do you think it's best to use freshly sterilized soil?

I'm not sure what, if any, biological interplays happen with truffles, the trees and other microorganisms (besides the mycorrhizal connections)



Professional operations do use sterilized soil at the greenhouse stage when trees are just starting. But I think anyone trying to grow one in their backyard probably doesn't need to do that. Some of the insects and fungi in the soil are beneficial for truffles. This study made a comparison of sterile vs unsterile substrates, finding that the truffles did establish in the non-sterile soil but it didn't grow quite as much.

If you were super serious about it like you had a financial stake in a farm, you would germinate the trees from seed in sterile medium and macerate the truffles in sterile water and sterilize the substrate.

I think for most people it's enough to grow them in pots, in a greenhouse or planter beds for a few months first. If you just drop them into the ground right away it's too much competition. But a little competition is OK.

I have some saplings I inoculated with truffle spore water and ground truffle pieces in the soil. They're in these nursery pots. Not sure where I'm gonna plant them though. A lot of old trees around here, but I don't really want them to compete with old trees. They are best in cleared out areas away from a mature tree's mycorrhizae.

Edited by CreonAntigone (09/07/26 11:14 PM)

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Re: The Truffle Megathread [Re: CreonAntigone]
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Very cool. I hope you find a good spot for them.

Is there any way of knowing if the truffle mycelium has a hold on the substrate or the tree without sampling the roots under a microscope?

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Re: The Truffle Megathread [Re: deadmandave] * 1
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No. It is done under sterile conditions in tissue culture cups while they are tiny cuttings. The media is clear. My buddy does plant tissue culture also on his mushroom farm. There is a lady up in the north west USA that did her doctorate on truffles. There are apparently also symbiotic bacteria that play a role in their development. I read her paper years ago but it is behind a pay wall now sadly.


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There are times, however, and this is one of them, when even being right feels wrong. What do you say, for instance, about a generation that has been taught that rain is poison and sex is death? If making love might be fatal and if a cool spring breeze on any summer afternoon can turn a crystal blue lake into a puddle of black poison right in front of your eyes, there is not much left except TV and relentless masturbation. It's a strange world. Some people get rich and others eat shit and die. -Hunter S. Thompson

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Re: The Truffle Megathread [Re: easybacon]
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easybacon said:
There is a lady up in the north west USA that did her doctorate on truffles. There are apparently also symbiotic bacteria that play a role in their development. I read her paper years ago but it is behind a pay wall now sadly.



Is this who you're talking about? Heather Dawson, who is currently pursuing a doctorate (doesn't appear to have completed it yet) with a focus on native truffles, and goes truffle-hunting with her sister and their dog.

I've been wanting to get my hands on a native truffle and try them, but never have been able to find them for sale.

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I read her paper years ago but it is behind a pay wall now sadly.




Sci-hub is a place you can get papers through a journal paywall. Just need to find the DOI.

And some of her papers appear to be publicly-available. This pre-print of hers is downloadable. Both sisters are listed as authors.  "Sniffing for fungi: Use of a conservation dog uncovers high regional truffle diversity" AUTHORS: Heather A. Dawson, Jonathan L. Frank, Carolyn A. Delevich, Bitty A. Roy, Hilary Rose Dawson.

Edited by CreonAntigone (09/10/26 07:50 PM)

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Re: The Truffle Megathread [Re: CreonAntigone]
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No, her name is Jasmine Richardson. Some of her doctoral work talks about truffles formation being a polyculture. There are beneficial bacteria that help them form. She does truffle classes and such.


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There are times, however, and this is one of them, when even being right feels wrong. What do you say, for instance, about a generation that has been taught that rain is poison and sex is death? If making love might be fatal and if a cool spring breeze on any summer afternoon can turn a crystal blue lake into a puddle of black poison right in front of your eyes, there is not much left except TV and relentless masturbation. It's a strange world. Some people get rich and others eat shit and die. -Hunter S. Thompson

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Re: The Truffle Megathread [Re: CreonAntigone] * 1
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"Establishing a Tuber melanosporum Orchard in the United States" is a very good webinar of her truffle orchard on YouTube.


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There are times, however, and this is one of them, when even being right feels wrong. What do you say, for instance, about a generation that has been taught that rain is poison and sex is death? If making love might be fatal and if a cool spring breeze on any summer afternoon can turn a crystal blue lake into a puddle of black poison right in front of your eyes, there is not much left except TV and relentless masturbation. It's a strange world. Some people get rich and others eat shit and die. -Hunter S. Thompson

Edited by easybacon (09/11/26 01:17 PM)

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