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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29427613 - 12/12/25 05:50 PM (10 months, 25 days ago)

Peleus said:

tree frog said:

For a future reference I still properly pasteurize worm castings.

Does this stink up the house like manure pasteurization does?

I use it in my casings and have not noticed anything offensive personally.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29427618 - 12/12/25 06:02 PM (10 months, 25 days ago)

I can't believe how insanely slow growing my TTBVI is. I have them in incubation I use a heat mat with a towel on it place the jars on it and put a blanket over the whole thing in a cupboard. I make sure they don't feel cold but not hot less than body temperature but definitely not cold.

They just refuse growth have gotten half a grain in most spots the agar is touching after a week. I guess I will just wait it out. Do they get faster as they get bigger?

They seem at least 6 times slower than cubes.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29427782 - 12/12/25 08:17 PM (10 months, 24 days ago)

What grain are you using? When I first started growing I tried them on rye and millet, and they didn't really take to it. AOI bags made with millet did good though. So, I started working out of AIO jars.

Brown rice, wheat, and popcorn do better ime. But even these they're often slow for me before the shake.

Here's my colonization tent. Lots of jars so I can have good rotation and play with a lot of genetics. High lumen light to help warm the tent. And warm air being dumped in from the cannabis tent.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29427842 - 12/12/25 08:40 PM (10 months, 24 days ago)

Its a blend of rye berries, white & red milo, and white & red millet, fortified with gypsum and calcium phosphate. They really like white milo they have completely covered a couple in spots but they seem to be getting everything just being slow. I folded the towel about 4 times made it the size of the heat mat and have the blanket folded the top of the jar feels as warm as the bottom it doesn't get hot spots that way. The cubes love it and its making zapotecorum grow about 80-90% the rate of cubes. This is like 5% growth but its beginning to throw little ropes its tiny compared to cubes though.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29427897 - 12/12/25 09:46 PM (10 months, 24 days ago)

Got pics of the jars? Ttbvi is probably the fastest pan myc I’ve seen so far. Very aggressive. Even at room temp for colonizing. G2g’ing to pint jars and they’re fully colonized in 3-4 days with a shake on the second day. Sounds like something is up with your culture. You shouldn’t need to heat them like that. I colonize all my pan jars at room temp and pans in general are like 4x faster than cubes

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29427945 - 12/12/25 11:32 PM (10 months, 24 days ago)

They colonize plates at 50f in my mini fridge. Outside of fruiting you really don't need heat.

My setup is really just old equipment I'm not using anymore. Taking advantage of the space and nice climate because it's available, not because it's needed.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29428033 - 12/13/25 05:09 AM (10 months, 24 days ago)

I got 4 jars but one has the agar completely buried the rest look like this

I bought the jars from a vendor because my presure cooker ran dry so I returned it.

I cant find the little threads it throws out because its grown some more but its hard to get photos because it has grown as much as cubes do in 72 hours in 8 days.

I don't see any contamination yet or anything really red flag :shrug:

:shrug:

I guess ill just wait it it out. The 32oz jars might take more than 3 months at this rate I will be lucky at 6 months.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29428682 - 12/13/25 08:25 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Time to buy some better genetics

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29428897 - 12/14/25 12:44 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

:whathesaid:

or just hit up the matketplace and get some free ones

The red flag is that it’s not growing. You can be spawning at 8 days with a healthy culture
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29429028 - 12/14/25 05:45 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

I definitely should have, I saw a print of TTBVI for free on the marketplace but already had this agar culture so thought the print could be put to better use.

Any idea on why mine is so absurdly slow? It definitely has some white on the parts of grain its touching but doesn't seem to be spreading more than a couple centimeters.

I don't know why but all my mycelium grows pretty slow the cube jars I did with agar I started November 13th and 2 are about 40-50% done one is about 80% done its been 31 days.

I would be shocked to see a culture so fast you can spawn in 8 days.

I don't know what im doing wrong both Pink Buffalo and TTBVI are supposed to be fast mine are slow. Also Zapotecorum is supposed to be slow mine actually pretty fast. Seems like everything is the opposite for me it doesn't make the least bit of sense.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29429123 - 12/14/25 09:13 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Is it just the vendor jars that are not growing?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29429145 - 12/14/25 09:42 AM (10 months, 23 days ago)

New pan cyan Hawai jars, inoculated on December, 2nd with agar wedges, first shake three days ago:

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#29429555 - 12/14/25 05:39 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Got a casing to apply later today to my first pan cyan grow. How do I apply it properly? Should it be very thin? Should I compress it a bit so make it leveled?

Thank you

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29429559 - 12/14/25 05:41 PM (10 months, 23 days ago)

Anomalocaris said:

Got a casing to apply later today to my first pan cyan grow. How do I apply it properly? Should it be very thin? Should I compress it a bit so make it leveled?

Thank you

Have a look at this:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29123958#29123958

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29429639 - 12/14/25 06:53 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

psychedelicmind said:

New pan cyan Hawai jars, inoculated on December, 2nd with agar wedges, first shake three days ago:

That's crazy this was done December 5th

its starting to spread in the grain very lightly. I suspect it might be to wet it has a lot of visible water droplets and has water running when you tilt it. Idk ill just wait it out and hope for the best it seems really difficult to spawn also. I really hope it doesn't get bacteria or mold my other ones did not and have been growing faster as it has been drying.

I wish I could afford to buy a instapot and pre built jar lids my last ones messed up or I didn't cook long enough I can't tell but the PC got damaged it ran dry so I got rid of it.

As for right now im just going to wait and hope for the best I guess if you want something done right you should do it yourself.

I used a liquid culture vendor and the syringe was so full I had to put about 80 pounds of strength on it while shaking to get it to come out it was clogged. It developed cobweb mold, trichoderma, black mold, and bacteria.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29429661 - 12/14/25 07:28 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

This is literally 24 hours after g2g inoculation

And it’s not even as aggressive as most ttbvi cultures I’ve found from ms. I suspect you have bacteria in that jar or a played out culture which can happen with pan vendor lc. Pan cultures don’t have a very long shelf life as far as expanding them goes and who knows how old that lc is.

I don’t want to bum you out but I don’t want to give false hope either. Pans only do really well with healthy cultures. Even the slightest bacterial culture will fruit very poorly or not at all. It’s not looking good unfortunately

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29429673 - 12/14/25 07:38 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

My first pan grow (ttbvi). 30L monotub got some progress

Made the tub on december 9. Almost fully colonized allready!

Cased with a thin layer of 0.5 quart tree frog style

This is the way

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29429714 - 12/14/25 08:30 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

fahtster said:

This is literally 24 hours after g2g inoculation

And it’s not even as aggressive as most ttbvi cultures I’ve found from ms. I suspect you have bacteria in that jar or a played out culture which can happen with pan vendor lc. Pan cultures don’t have a very long shelf life as far as expanding them goes and who knows how old that lc is.

I don’t want to bum you out but I don’t want to give false hope either. Pans only do really well with healthy cultures. Even the slightest bacterial culture will fruit very poorly or not at all. It’s not looking good unfortunately

I used agar on the jar I posted, all the liquid culture I used was contaminated and also a different species than Pan but I was just pointing out that some vendors sell garbage.
The Pan culture was definitely clean and growing. I don't see any wet rot yet just lots of water droplets.

Hopefully it will dry out and recover I did the agar transfer with a brand new disposable scapple in a still airbox, I don't see how bacteria could have gotten into it unless in the air but mold spores are possible however I don't see any growing.

Oh well nothing I can do now anyway but wait and hope for the best I should have made my own grain it can't be good to have that much water in it.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread

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#29430049 - 12/15/25 09:23 AM (10 months, 22 days ago)

CaptainTrips420 said:

I don't love millet and rye for Pans. Wheat like faht posted recovers and colonizes better ime.

And those vendor jars are way to full. I think I have a friend that works for them, because he complains about this and (other things).

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#29430226 - 12/15/25 12:50 PM (10 months, 22 days ago)

I have 4 AIO quart jars of Bispo Washington. I shook them 3 days ago and they're now at half colonisation. Once they hit 100% could I top fruit them? Or is it preferred to break shake and place in a shoebox?

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