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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: strawboy]
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strawboy said:
I got tired of working with manure. Switched over to alfalfa pellets. I started off with 20% alfalfa by weight but that proved to be a little too rich. 10% seems to be pretty good.

Straw and 10% alfalfa pellets


Gonna try that if what I'm trying doesn't work

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: lamech]
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Nice fam!


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I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: strawboy] * 12
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strawboy said:
I got tired of working with manure. Switched over to alfalfa pellets. I started off with 20% alfalfa by weight but that proved to be a little too rich. 10% seems to be pretty good.

Straw and 10% alfalfa pellets


That’s pretty cool!

Some 2nd flush bvi clones



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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Those are looking great faht!

Hoping to get my bvi dialed in.  Feels like they often give me shorties.


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I'd be running up that road
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: strawboy]
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strawboy said:
I got tired of working with manure. Switched over to alfalfa pellets. I started off with 20% alfalfa by weight but that proved to be a little too rich. 10% seems to be pretty good.

Straw and 10% alfalfa pellets


That's awesome strawboy :awesomenod:

It catches my attention as a shelf-stable poo substitute.  Anyone have thoughts on how coir + alfalfa would fare as a substrate for pans? 

Tbh I am completely ignorant on the role alfalfa is playing here.  A quick site search shows it is more commonly used with gourmets and few people seem to have tried it with actives.  There's not much info immediately jumping out at me. 

Also, am I correct in thinking that straw packs more punch than coir when it comes to nutrients?  Seems like I gleaned that understanding from reading posts over time, though I could easily be mistaken.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 6
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Tree frog,your Chlorocystis. A small amount but still grew didn't work well with the substrate of coconut and sapropel, I'll try it on hay and figure later. They definitely take a long time to grow and don't want to open their hats.I'm waiting...


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dala] * 2
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Dala said:
strawboy said:
I got tired of working with manure. Switched over to alfalfa pellets. I started off with 20% alfalfa by weight but that proved to be a little too rich. 10% seems to be pretty good.

Straw and 10% alfalfa pellets


That's awesome strawboy :awesomenod:

It catches my attention as a shelf-stable poo substitute.  Anyone have thoughts on how coir + alfalfa would fare as a substrate for pans? 

Tbh I am completely ignorant on the role alfalfa is playing here.  A quick site search shows it is more commonly used with gourmets and few people seem to have tried it with actives.  There's not much info immediately jumping out at me. 

Also, am I correct in thinking that straw packs more punch than coir when it comes to nutrients?  Seems like I gleaned that understanding from reading posts over time, though I could easily be mistaken.


Alfalfa isn't a proven supplement for pans, I'm just fucking around. In our case it would be used primarily for nitrogen It's not common in mushroom cultivation but it's very popular in organic gardening with an NPK ratio of 3-1-2. I think that it may be a good additive for coir. I would include the pellets in the boiling water so that you create an alfalfa tea. Then hydrate the coir with that. You would just need to account for the water loss from the absorption of the pellets. I can give it a try as I have a jar of spawn and some coir laying around.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: strawboy]
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Ah gotcha. Thanks that's good info and making tea is a good idea. No need to do a grow on my account, but if you did I'd be here for it :popcorn:

So if it's mainly a nitrogen source then MojaveMyc's experiment with coir+ suggests it would also need a micronutrient additive like Jackpot for the fruits to reach their full potential. Edit: though your results with straw speak for themselves.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dala] * 2
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Dala said:
Ah gotcha. Thanks that's good info and making tea is a good idea. No need to do a grow on my account, but if you did I'd be here for it :popcorn:

So if it's mainly a nitrogen source then MojaveMyc's experiment with coir+ suggests it would also need a micronutrient additive like Jackpot for the fruits to reach their full potential. Edit: though your results with straw speak for themselves.


You don't need to add micronutrients. It contains Boron (B), Iron (Fe), Manganese (Mn), Zinc (Zn), Molybdenum (Mo), and Copper (Cu). It also contains Triacontanol which is a growth stimulant for plants. I do see chemical companies marketing Triacontanol as a supplement for mushroom production. I also found a patent including it in the cultivation of oyster mushrooms.

https://patents.google.com/patent/CN104285678A/en


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: strawboy]
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Well you're just makin my day :awesomenod:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: angamshroom] * 2
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I'm glad they're fruiting for you.

Yeah, they didn't make many for me either without grass and beneficial microbes.  I have some ideas and plan to run them again soon.

Same with the caps not opening well, they did drop spores though when the caps began to lighten.

As far as my thoughts, I'm going to pin them with higher humidity to try to get better pinsets.  Then an evaporation cycle for the caps, as a few people that I've given prints got the caps to open up better like that.  And I'm using a lot more calcium in my casing than I did before, as I switched from calcium hydroxide to calcium carbonate limestone for pH adjustment.

Where they grow there's a lot of natural limestone and peat.  So, hopefully it's something simple like calcium.  Plus, they're the only culture of mine that actually took to my hominy grain experiment.

Otherwise, grass seed inoculated with azospirrilum bacteria was my best results.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Pan gang, what causes an entire flush of those little guys to abort en masse? I suspected my sub/casing is dry so i watered (after they aborted) with a beaker now the tub smells fishy and seems to have died. So many fruits gone :frown:

Pan cyan hawaii btw


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Phony Phone]
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Phony Phone said:
Pan gang, what causes an entire flush of those little guys to abort en masse? I suspected my sub/casing is dry so i watered (after they aborted) with a beaker now the tub smells fishy and seems to have died. So many fruits gone :frown:

Pan cyan hawaii btw


I'm pretty sure I've killed mine before with over watering.  My pans like high humidity but misting and soaking them down can wipe them out. 

There is a genetic component too.  I've had ttbvi that would tolerate soaking by spray just fine.  Frequent light misting followed by evaporation better than infrequent soaking and over drying.    I mist at least twice daily and never let things get bone dry if I can help it.  Also try not to soak them down where there is pooling water or where things are mushy.  You get a feel for it


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dala] * 5
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Dala said:
Ah gotcha. Thanks that's good info and making tea is a good idea. No need to do a grow on my account, but if you did I'd be here for it :popcorn:

So if it's mainly a nitrogen source then MojaveMyc's experiment with coir+ suggests it would also need a micronutrient additive like Jackpot for the fruits to reach their full potential. Edit: though your results with straw speak for themselves.


Alfalfa tea just hit the coir! I left the solids in there.




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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: strawboy]
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:justcantwait:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dala] * 6
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Going to case some bisporus today. First attempt in oh idk a year or so? 3 tubs worth. Should be cool.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: strawboy] * 2
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strawboy said:
Dala said:
Ah gotcha. Thanks that's good info and making tea is a good idea. No need to do a grow on my account, but if you did I'd be here for it :popcorn:

So if it's mainly a nitrogen source then MojaveMyc's experiment with coir+ suggests it would also need a micronutrient additive like Jackpot for the fruits to reach their full potential. Edit: though your results with straw speak for themselves.


You don't need to add micronutrients. It contains Boron (B), Iron (Fe), Manganese (Mn), Zinc (Zn), Molybdenum (Mo), and Copper (Cu). It also contains Triacontanol which is a growth stimulant for plants. I do see chemical companies marketing Triacontanol as a supplement for mushroom production. I also found a patent including it in the cultivation of oyster mushrooms.

https://patents.google.com/patent/CN104285678A/en


Just getting caught up on this, very nice. Nichrome has suggested alfalfa pellets as an alternative, so I have lots of faith in it. Great results!


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: MojaveMyc] * 2
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I really admire your work, thanks for your input. I'll keep experimenting with it. I just went back to spore so I'm not working with any isolations at the moment. Hopefully my grows will improve with some artificial selection. Also, the alfalfa is pretty economical. I should be able to get 283 bricks of coir out of the 40lb bag I got for $20.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: strawboy] * 5
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Shroomery member 'ktwg' sent me a print of these along with some Pan cyan/cambo prints last year.



They are probably Panaeolus papilionaceus.

Panaeolus papilionaceus pins!



Not actives, but still a Panaeolus species.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: BlimeyGrimey] * 13
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First time with cambos (sandoz).  Prints and clones taken

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