Enlil said:

He's being no more honest than he was the first time.  If anything, he's worse this time because he's openly promoting fascism.  He is the only president in my lifetime who does not have some good things about him.  Nuance doesn't apply when our president is literally human garbage.

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Psilynut2 said:

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Are you kidding? The movie this time is night-and-day. Trump isn't getting cockblocked by bad actors and a Russia hoax. Plus, he knows D.C. and how to play politics way better. Do you really believe what you're saying? In another 3 1/2 years this country is going to be VASTLY different.

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Doesn't feel different yet . Still the same racist piece of shit I've always known it to be .

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Do you ever focus on anything else actually happening on the world stage, or does Trump's non-existent "racism" just live in your head rent-free so often you miss it all?

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FoolOfElysium said:

No. Biden created the humanitarian crisis for American citizens at the border. Trump is solving it.

The economy is fine. If you have a better proposal for how to tackle the existential crisis of our national debt, by my guest because if we go bankrupt, everything happening now will pale in comparison to what REAL "extreme" looks like. We have to clean the mess up now and certain things must be done to do it, or else everyone is going to suffer *exponentially* worse.

Idealism will never defeat Realism.

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FoolOfElysium said:

Excluding a few very infrequent posters, there's not a single local resident in these parts that even has a *nuanced* view on Trump. The consensus is he might as well the evil villain from some corny 80's movie with ZERO conflicting values or motives.

I mean even for those that oppose him, it would be closer to the truth to see him as a nuanced human like antagonists in Japanese Anime as opposed to some corny one dimensional Disney Villain from last century.

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An echo chamber is a closed system where people are insulated from rebuttal, leading to the amplification or reinforcement their preexisting beliefs.

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Correct. This is a very closed social group where most of the posters here do a fantastic job to make people who share my views scared to even post here. (And half the nation shares many of my views, so what does that tell you?) There are topics you are allowed to speak about that won't bring you *criticism* as a human. If you share some of my views, however, the conversation often switches from the discussion of ideas to the discussion of... ME. Most people find that kind of dogpile too uncomfortable to handle. Certainly half the posters here (not you, I'd gamble), couldn't handle it if the roles were reversed. They'da bailed a long ass time ago.

If the regs here can't scare them away, then they can just antagonize them until they get banned. Again, they do this by making it personal and knowing how to walk the fine razor's edge of what insults are allowed. Plus, they have the moderator's favor.

So yes, this is a very nicely insulated echo-chamber where *certain acceptable* topics of agreement and disagreement can be engaged upon without upsetting the status quo.

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FoolOfElysium said:

No. Biden created the humanitarian crisis for American citizens at the border. Trump is solving it.

The economy is fine. If you have a better proposal for how to tackle the existential crisis of our national debt, by my guest because if we go bankrupt, everything happening now will pale in comparison to what REAL "extreme" looks like. We have to clean the mess up now and certain things must be done to do it, or else everyone is going to suffer *exponentially* worse.

Idealism will never defeat Realism.

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christopera said:

FoolOfElysium said:

No. Biden created the humanitarian crisis for American citizens at the border. Trump is solving it.

The economy is fine. If you have a better proposal for how to tackle the existential crisis of our national debt, by my guest because if we go bankrupt, everything happening now will pale in comparison to what REAL "extreme" looks like. We have to clean the mess up now and certain things must be done to do it, or else everyone is going to suffer *exponentially* worse.

Idealism will never defeat Realism.

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You clearly haven’t been paying attention to Trumps track record on the deficit.

Feel free to make excuses for him.

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shivas.wisdom said:

FoolOfElysium said:

Excluding a few very infrequent posters, there's not a single local resident in these parts that even has a *nuanced* view on Trump. The consensus is he might as well the evil villain from some corny 80's movie with ZERO conflicting values or motives.

I mean even for those that oppose him, it would be closer to the truth to see him as a nuanced human like antagonists in Japanese Anime as opposed to some corny one dimensional Disney Villain from last century.

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An echo chamber is a closed system where people are insulated from rebuttal, leading to the amplification or reinforcement their preexisting beliefs.

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Correct. This is a very closed social group where most of the posters here do a fantastic job to make people who share my views scared to even post here. (And half the nation shares many of my views, so what does that tell you?) There are topics you are allowed to speak about that won't bring you *criticism* as a human. If you share some of my views, however, the conversation often switches from the discussion of ideas to the discussion of... ME. Most people find that kind of dogpile too uncomfortable to handle. Certainly half the posters here (not you, I'd gamble), couldn't handle it if the roles were reversed. They'da bailed a long ass time ago.

If the regs here can't scare them away, then they can just antagonize them until they get banned. Again, they do this by making it personal and knowing how to walk the fine razor's edge of what insults are allowed. Plus, they have the moderator's favor.

So yes, this is a very nicely insulated echo-chamber where *certain acceptable* topics of agreement and disagreement can be engaged upon without upsetting the status quo.

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Your experience is not because of the topics you bring up for discussion - it's because of the awful standard of debate you bring forth. You don't make arguments, you make wild claims that are grounded in 'these two twitter accounts made similar typos' or some similar bullshit, and you respond to criticism more often than not by saying 'just wait and see'. As above so below - dogshit in, dogshit out. Similarly, we aren't an echo chamber if we laugh a flat earther out of here. Not all opinions are worth engaging with

The experience you describe is very similar to my experience in bringing anarchism and antifascism into discussion - seriously, take a look at some of my early threads, like this one: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/24070932 - just read the first page and see the type of responses I can often expect

But I persevered by ignoring the shitbirds and continually refining my arguments - I didn't convert the masses, but neither was I scared away or antagonized into a ban. If your experience is different, it's because of the dogshit debate style you bring - and now, instead of acknowledging your own shortcomings and doing better, you've decided to play victim and say 'everyone else just wants an echo chamber'

Like... consider me - I'm sure you can acknowledge that I have seriously engaged with your posts in the past, right? But guess what, I've mostly stopped that now because I haven't seen you make a good faith effort to debate - it's all conjecture and conspiracy. That's not because I want an echo chamber - I've had long-standing debates with other members that have gone on for hundreds of posts across dozens of threads - it's become I choose to not engage with bad faith debates.

Do better, and you'll receive better - or cry about it and never learn or grow - that's your choice, but the shroomery will remain its lively microcosm of political soup with or without you

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Enlil said:

You think military operating on U.S. soil is a good thing?  You really do like fascism, don't you?

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We have bombshell after bombshell coming out of the CIA, DOJ, FBI and from our DNI accusing Hillary, Biden, Obama, and many more of treason. They claim that they have *much more* to come and they are going to reveal it all.

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ballsalsa said:

As long as Trumpy uses them to abuse and terrorize the people Fool hates, it's a good thing, obviously.

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FoolOfElysium said:

No. Biden created the humanitarian crisis for American citizens at the border. Trump is solving it.

The economy is fine. If you have a better proposal for how to tackle the existential crisis of our national debt, by my guest because if we go bankrupt, everything happening now will pale in comparison to what REAL "extreme" looks like. We have to clean the mess up now and certain things must be done to do it, or else everyone is going to suffer *exponentially* worse.

Idealism will never defeat Realism.

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Sulfurshelfsean said:

ballsalsa said:

As long as Trumpy uses them to abuse and terrorize the people Fool hates, it's a good thing, obviously.

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He even used the slogan. Something along the lines of "it's not fascist if you're doing it to the right people"

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FoolOfElysium said:

ballsalsa said:

FoolOfElysium said:

The majority of human beings I know have had failed relationships and have been in court because of the opposite gender at some time in their life.

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Holy fuck, lol.  Have you considered that you might be an outlier?
The majority of humans I know have absolutely not been in court "because" of the opposite gender and I think my experience is perhaps more typical than yours.  Who the fuck are you hanging out with, bro?  Is this why you keep referring to sexual assault as "50 shades of grey"?

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You don't get to choose family, for better or worse... and despite their weakness, childhood friends are childhood friends.

You should specify your poll. I was referring to divorce court. Ironically, I also got a divorce years but it was cordial and we remained good friends. Everyone around me though... most of them had to hire lawyers or get the courts involved.

And while I tried to keep in gender neutral, the majority of offenders have been women who have destroyed men using divorce court, women in my own family included. It's gone the other way, too.

Most relationships fail. Divorce is over 50% and those still together aren't always happy. Considering some political affiliations marry less than others (and this is one way I actually side more with the left), it shouldn't be surprising that among demographics where marriage is more common (like my family's roots), we see more of this.

I'll never get married again because really it's just a trap for men and nothing good comes of it.

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Bro. This is some cringe.  Your views on women and relationships are unhealthy and frankly, unhinged. Like, whoa.