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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Kloakk said:
SkanskKorv said:
Will the caps grow more as they mature or is this it?





They continue to grow :awesomenod:



How about my penis? Asking for a friend


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 2
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SkanskKorv said:
How about my penis? Asking for a friend



It depends, if it's not already erected, it will, alongside the Bisporus caps. Or so I'm told.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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Kloakk said:
SkanskKorv said:
How about my penis? Asking for a friend



It depends, if it's not already erected, it will, alongside the Bisporus caps. Or so I'm told.





Oh shit... BrB gotta make a call :crazyeyes:

Nevertheless I'm very pleased to know my bispos will get harder

Edit: I mean more erect

Edit2: taller. I mean taller.



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Edited by SkanskKorv (08/08/25 02:37 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv]
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I have a few questions, looking for some advice.

I'm noticing my trays after colonizing have a slight sweet smell to them indicating I think bacteria.  My grain does not smell like this, grain smells totally clean and fine, colonizing quickly. It's only on colonized trays.  Many trays go on to fruit fine but i dont think this is ideal as sometimes I lose trays.

I'm pasteurizing straw/manure/verm substrate at 150-160F (71C) for around 2-4 hours.  I was speculating that there was not enough airflow happening during colonization so I tried colonizing trays with more air flow in a handful of different set ups but the slightly sweet smell is still there.  These photos are post casing.






My other question is, I'm sometimes..noticing a live grub/maggot (super tiny, like a grain of rice size or a bit smaller) in colonized trays, not many but I have seen this a few times now and I don't know where it's coming from but I'm wondering if maybe the substrate needs to be pasteurized for longer or are anaerobic conditions allowing this to happen along with the sweeter smell.


Would love to resolve this if anyone has any ideas.

Pic of grain jars


Edited by Timestop413 (08/08/25 04:50 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413]
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What's your manure like when you run it?  If it has clumps maybe bug eggs and bacteria are surviving.  Because your temp and times should be good.

Other possibilities are that someone is laying eggs in your substrate after you pasteurize it, and that there is bacteria in your jars you're not smelling and it's proliferating after spawn.  (This just happened to me btw.  But I think the tub will still fruit, maybe).


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413] * 1
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Straw does have a sweet smell to me. Especially if it hasn't been dried adequately before use or is moldy/bacterial. The grubs you describe sound like they could be fungus gnat larvae. You can use some BTI like Mosquito Bits to resolve that.

I have a pet theory that fungus gnats are more attracted to stressed mycelium. Nothing that I can prove, but I do notice that I can have one worn out or otherwise compromised tub get an infestation right next to tubs that they seem to ignore. Which is the cart and which is the horse is not 100% clear, but the fact that they seem to fly into and out of the failing tub while leaving the healthy ones alone makes me think that they are more of an indication of struggling mycelium than a cause for it.
:2cents:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
What's your manure like when you run it?  If it has clumps maybe bug eggs and bacteria are surviving.  Because your temp and times should be good.

Other possibilities are that someone is laying eggs in your substrate after you pasteurize it, and that there is bacteria in your jars you're not smelling and it's proliferating after spawn.  (This just happened to me btw.  But I think the tub will still fruit, maybe).



I am sifting the manure through a quarter inch screen but I can try breaking it up better just to be sure. 

It's so hard for me to think that these jars are bacterial, I've tried super hard to be clean with all sterile work and it appears clean but I don't know what to do different if it is coming from my agar/grain.

When you have a clean colonized tray, should it basically smell like nothing? Or just like slight mycelium/earthyness?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ReverendMyc]
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ReverendMyc said:
Straw does have a sweet smell to me. Especially if it hasn't been dried adequately before use or is moldy/bacterial.



A sweet smell once its colonized?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413]
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I guess earthy and like mycelium is accurate but it really doesn't smell like much.  Even putting my nose right up to it.

By comparison, the bacterial one looks fine.  It is however colonizing slowly, and the sweet and faintly sour smell of the bacteria is strong enough that I noticed it just checking on the tray.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (08/08/25 07:04 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ReverendMyc]
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tree frog said:
But mostly what folks post are one section of Pans.  Because they're very potent.  And they're all closely related and most like similar conditions (mid to upper 70s/low 80s).

Anyway, cyans are very aggressive.  If you have your humidity and your temperature in the range that they like, they will put out fruits.



So bispo has similar growing conditions as cyan?

ReverendMyc said:
The grubs you describe sound like they could be fungus gnat larvae. You can use some BTI like Mosquito Bits to resolve that.
:2cents:



Do you use BTI in your casing, substrate, sprayed on after? Does it affect the fruits in any way or have negative effects when consuming?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Floret] * 1
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Timestop413 said:
ReverendMyc said:
Straw does have a sweet smell to me. Especially if it hasn't been dried adequately before use or is moldy/bacterial.



A sweet smell once its colonized?



Probably less so when colonized. I notice it more when prepping and spawning. Less when it is colonized. If you don't smell the sweetness until it is colonized, that seems like bacteria. Healthy colonized substrate smells more mild earthy mushroom. Sometimes I get fruit with a stinky tub, but it usually means that it will tam out shortly after that.

Floret said:
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Do you use BTI in your casing, substrate, sprayed on after? Does it affect the fruits in any way or have negative effects when consuming?



I only use it to mist after spotting some gnats or larvae. The BTI doesn't do the mushrooms any harm, but a stressed grow that is attractive to gnats is likely to be a poor performer.

BTI is an organic pest control that very specifically targets mosquito and fungus gnat larvae. It is safe for humans, pets and beneficial insects per the State of California and they will warn you that everything causes cancer.

I use it in pools of water to control mosquitos around my yard as well. It is some pretty great stuff.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Floret] * 7
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Mostly, with some caveats.

This tray got a lot of light and heat, because bisporus likes direct misting fine if it can evaporate off.



This tray had a lip, to keep the humidity high for the pins, because cyans often don't like direct misting.  It was also placed on a lower shelf, so the light and heat didn't dry them out.



But they were otherwise fruited on the same sub and grain.  And in the same tent.

And cyans tolerate high temps better, like 80+.

But there's also a pan in this section that was discovered where it doesn't even get above 70f.  My guess is it wouldn't be as happy fruiting next to my 80f strains.  But, no one has a print so it's nothing to worry about atm lol


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413] * 7
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Timestop413 said:
I have a few questions, looking for some advice.

I'm noticing my trays after colonizing have a slight sweet smell to them indicating I think bacteria.  My grain does not smell like this, grain smells totally clean and fine, colonizing quickly. It's only on colonized trays.  Many trays go on to fruit fine but i dont think this is ideal as sometimes I lose trays.

I'm pasteurizing straw/manure/verm substrate at 150-160F (71C) for around 2-4 hours.  I was speculating that there was not enough airflow happening during colonization so I tried colonizing trays with more air flow in a handful of different set ups but the slightly sweet smell is still there.  These photos are post casing.






My other question is, I'm sometimes..noticing a live grub/maggot (super tiny, like a grain of rice size or a bit smaller) in colonized trays, not many but I have seen this a few times now and I don't know where it's coming from but I'm wondering if maybe the substrate needs to be pasteurized for longer or are anaerobic conditions allowing this to happen along with the sweeter smell.


Would love to resolve this if anyone has any ideas.

Pic of grain jars





I had this happen pretty recently and found out I was having my sub mix way too wet.  Now I hand squeeze each trays worth before I add the spawn (after pasteurizing) just to make sure.  I’m also keeping more of an eye on the water amount beforehand so the squeezing might just be a single one to check before adding it all.  You can make up for the dried sub when you add the casing and drench it.  Go straight to fruiting after casing… don’t put the lid of the tray back on.  If there is bacteria, that’s gonna be a breeding ground and the heavy water will cut off even more oxygen to the sub with the lid on.

Make sure they’re getting plenty of air during colonizing and I’d colonize in a fine mesh laundry bag if you’re seeing maggots.  That means they’re getting in probably during the colonizing stage.  The mesh will stop that.  If your manure isn’t properly aged and leached, that’ll attract bugs for sure.  I say ditch the straw.  Best thing did so far.  There’s plenty in the manure already.  Straw has always been more trouble than it’s worth ime.  Cv/manure works great for me

Edit:  adding some current pics..

4 Texas clones trays.  Getting bigger by the minute



Those are 50/50 CV/manure

Edited by fahtster (08/09/25 12:12 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 6
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Sent my first Pan. Jambo this morning, three jars. Colonized on canary seeds as I'm practicing the grain prep for when I have a good plate of Zapo's. Looks like the pans did fine on them as well.



Had to use a bigger box to mix the grains with the sub.


Canary seeds sure have a lot of inoculation point :naughty: It's 500ml spawn and a ratio of 1:3, I covered the grains in one of three trays, just to see if there is any difference.


I lightly compressed just to level the surface.


And a little MiB update.




That's it for my pan shananigans of the day.


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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:hellyeah:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Mackload] * 3
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster]
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fahtster said:
I had this happen pretty recently and found out I was having my sub mix way too wet.  Now I hand squeeze each trays worth before I add the spawn (after pasteurizing) just to make sure.  I’m also keeping more of an eye on the water amount beforehand so the squeezing might just be a single one to check before adding it all.  You can make up for the dried sub when you add the casing and drench it.  Go straight to fruiting after casing… don’t put the lid of the tray back on.  If there is bacteria, that’s gonna be a breeding ground and the heavy water will cut off even more oxygen to the sub with the lid on.

Make sure they’re getting plenty of air during colonizing and I’d colonize in a fine mesh laundry bag if you’re seeing maggots.  That means they’re getting in probably during the colonizing stage.  The mesh will stop that.  If your manure isn’t properly aged and leached, that’ll attract bugs for sure.  I say ditch the straw.  Best thing did so far.  There’s plenty in the manure already.  Straw has always been more trouble than it’s worth ime.  Cv/manure works great for me




Ok thanks Faht, and are you pasteurizing or sterilizing cv/manure sub?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Timestop413] * 2
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Pasteurizing.  I make the CV like normal bucket tek and then just add the manure and slowly add water until it’s where I want it and then pasteurize.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: fahtster] * 9
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a couple cambo trays pinning, and I'm leaving for a few days....maybe they are better off without me but this is the most compelled I've ever felt to bring a tub with me:tongue:

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: stagger] * 2
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stagger said:
a couple cambo trays pinning, and I'm leaving for a few days....maybe they are better off without me but this is the most compelled I've ever felt to bring a tub with me:tongue:




Absolutely not, they'll miss you for sure, the thing though, they will want to impress you while you're gone, so you better be home on time.


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