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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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The deep state.
It sounds like you voted for the deep state. He's been consolidating power into the deep state and cutting them tax breaks and giving them access to federal lands.

The deep state has never been more powerful than it is at this moment.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: KevinDontWave]
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KevinDontWave said:
FoolOfElysium said:
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Exactly. Trumpers are either stupid or delusional and tell themselves that billionaires actually care about them


The flaw in your thinking is that all billionaires are de-facto evil.



You don't get to a billion dollars by being a do-gooder.


It's called balance, because this world is ruthless.

Those in cushy countries simply let their leaders handle the ruthless parts for them.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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GenesisCorrupted said:
The deep state.
It sounds like you voted for the deep state. He's been consolidating power into the deep state and cutting them tax breaks and giving them access to federal lands.

The deep state has never been more powerful than it is at this moment.


Tax breaks for everyone across the board, you mean? (Which in reality meant nobody's taxes got raised.)


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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No, literally only for the one percent who already pays barely any taxes.
They get to pay less. We get to all pay more to make them more rich.

Do you understand what an oligarchy is?
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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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No. EVERYONE pays less. What are you even going on about?

Oligarchy?

Billionaires Donating:
Kamala Harris: 83

Donald Trump: 52

Total Raised:
Kamala Harris: ~$2.9 billion

Donald Trump: ~$1.8 billion"


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Edited by FoolOfElysium (06/20/25 12:39 AM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium] * 1
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FoolOfElysium said:
It's called balance, because this world is ruthless.

Those in cushy countries simply let their leaders handle the ruthless parts for them.


So they are evil?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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You're not a billionaire. You don't get access to the tax cut.

We all have been paying more money because there's a 10% tax that we're all paying because of the tariffs on everything. You pay more. So they get more.

Understand?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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No.

Who is, "they" and how to "they" get more, exactly?

Arguing that tariff's affect the poor more than the wealthy is not exactly the same argument as "billionaires got better tax cuts" which is unequivocally false.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium] * 1
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Look a normal person can get fined $5000 and it'll ruin them. That doesn't mean shit to a billionaire.
So that's directly hurting poor people. Do you understand that?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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So what if I own the company that makes medicine you need?
I might be paying more. But I can pass that on to the customer. So they can pay more. I don't have to lose my profits. Why should I?

What are you going to do about it?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium] * 1
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FoolOfElysium said:
GenesisCorrupted said:
The deep state.
It sounds like you voted for the deep state. He's been consolidating power into the deep state and cutting them tax breaks and giving them access to federal lands.

The deep state has never been more powerful than it is at this moment.


Tax breaks for everyone across the board, you mean? (Which in reality meant nobody's taxes got raised.)


Are you just absorbing the rhetoric? What are you referring to as tax breaks across the board?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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GenesisCorrupted said:
Look a normal person can get fined $5000 and it'll ruin them. That doesn't mean shit to a billionaire.
So that's directly hurting poor people. Do you understand that?


I'm not opposed to you making this argument, I'm simply opposed to you claiming it's something that it's not. We ALL got around the same tax breaks.

Now that that is crystal clear, I have PLENTY of gripes about what you speak of. It's the same when you get pulled over by a cop and get a ticket. It's nothing to the rich. It's everything to the poor. I agree with this injustice and once the "bigger fish to fry" part of all of this is taken care of, you'll likely see me more on the reformed democratic party's side than the republican's side, arguing points like this aligned with you.


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Edited by FoolOfElysium (06/20/25 01:18 AM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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Prove it.
Because I can prove that we are not getting access to the tax break. They're getting huge ones.
They already had huge tax breaks.
They have gutted every Social Security program there was. And that there would be. They even took back money that was already given to people. Wind farms have been shuttered. Hospitals have been closed. All just to line the pockets of the people that should be paying more than one percent taxes already.

How does that make you feel?

Who the fuck told you that we were all getting a tax break?
You don't take candy from strangers too do you?


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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Windmills have been proven to leave horrible waste behind in various ways. They are not efficient.

Social security was not "gutted." It hasn't been touched beyond fraud. You're buying into lies. I say that with love, not animosity. Social security is fine.

I can't speak of the rest, but you're missing the forest for the trees if you think a President has the power to fix all these problems without congress.

It's the entire reason Trump has to clean up the deep state. This all just goes around in circles unless the root of the problem is weeded out.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium] * 2
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Jesus christ :facepalm: I'm talking about actual shit that YOUR government that YOU voted for is taking away from you RIGHT NOW and you're off in Lala land talking about conspiracy bullshit. Delusional.

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: Lynnch]
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Lynnch said:
Jesus christ :facepalm: I'm talking about actual shit that YOUR government that YOU voted for is taking away from you RIGHT NOW and you're off in Lala land talking about conspiracy bullshit. Delusional.


You have no real argument. If you did, you'd show me what I said that was incorrect.

I'm really trying to be nice, here.

It's rather pathetic that all you can do is mock. We learned how to do that when we were six. You'd think in a psychedelic-political forum, your brain cells would have multiplied enough to pull off tricks beyond what we learned decades ago.


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Edited by FoolOfElysium (06/20/25 01:31 AM)

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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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Quote:
FoolOfElysium said: We ALL got around the same tax breaks.



I'll have what hes having :lol:


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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FoolOfElysium said:
Windmills have been proven to leave horrible waste behind in various ways. They are not efficient.

Social security was not "gutted." It hasn't been touched beyond fraud. You're buying into lies. I say that with love, not animosity. Social security is fine.

I can't speak of the rest, but you're missing the forest for the trees if you think a President has the power to fix all these problems without congress.

It's the entire reason Trump has to clean up the deep state. This all just goes around in circles unless the root of the problem is weeded out.


Bruh...

Windmills reach energy return after six months and operate for 10 years making 20x their input energy.

Recycleability is an issue with land use, as for any rubbish, but you ever seen fossil fuel land use :lol:

Social security was cut by $220 billion and Medicare by $880 billion.

Tens of thousands of people will die each year because of these changes.

The people in congress who voted in like with the screw everyone who isn't wealthy again bill are culpable too.

Why do you think your life isn't improving?

Will we ever get an answer to why people are sycophantically cucked to the orange buffoon?!


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: sudly]
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Social security was cut by $220 billion and Medicare by $880 billion.


This is a total and complete lie that I will presume you've just bought and are parroting, so I forgive you.


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Re: TRUMP 2020 [Re: FoolOfElysium]
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Ignorance is bliss I guess.


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