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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: kingboomer] * 2
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kingboomer said:
ReverendMyc said:
I find crushed, but not powdered easiest to work with for dry fruits. Then I use a sieve, french press or tea strainer to separate the liquid. For fresh, I toss them in whole and just crush them with a wooden spoon or spatula.

For stones or myceliated grains, it takes either more dicing and grinding or more time and heat to get all of the goodies. And squeezing through cheese cloth or brewers bag takes a lot of work, so now it is the french press all the way for me.



Sounds good, thanks Rev!  That actually convinced me to get a French press lol.


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: KlarnEvil9] * 1
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Rev, would it be possible to test if using a lot of water would make it possible to get 90% of the potency from just one simmer? Just judging by the color of the first and second simmer for 3g dry ochras and a lot of water made me think that perhaps using more water is equivalent to simmering more times.

A week ago I ate 3g dry and had a proper trip 30 minutes after ingestion.  Yesterday I did a 3x simmer, reduced to a quarter of a cup and for some reason the trip started an hour after ingestion and was very mild. Both trips were on an empty stomach. I wonder if the body needs more water to absorb the psilocybin or I fucked up the potency by reducing the liquid for 30 minutes.


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: Blueberry Muffin] * 2
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Currently running 30g through a 2nd decoction while the first reduces. Im gonna be sure to do my math twice by the end so I dont dose myself into oblivion, but I'm excited to see how this turns out. 🤙

Thanks for the effort put into figuring out how best to do this, Rev.

Edit: I got to screwing around while it was boiling off and burned it a little. I think I caught it quick, but aint that about about a bitch? 🤣


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 1
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Any side by sides done with distilled vs tap water as far as potency?


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: EniQma] * 2
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EniQma said:
Any side by sides done with distilled vs tap water as far as potency?


Good question!

Follow up question- how about soft water?

Ive now tried to make tea 3x and had horrible results - Last night, I did the double decoction with 20:1 water to mush weight, bring to boil, shut off heat and steep for 15min each.

Took 3g - next to no effect. Just barely fuzzy.

Hour later, took 6g.

45min in and still very little...

Ground up 4g of x7x+ and 1g of PE, mixed into cranberry juice and slammed it. Had the most intense trip of my life. And it was the same x7x+ grow I tried to make tea with the last time.

Idk fuck all about chemistry, but it was soft water used in the tea all 3 times but I wouldn't know if that would have an impact. 🤷‍♂️


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 1
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I've always added some lemon juice, and have heard that is important. I also normally do 100ml per gram.

Gotta say that this thread makes my adhd brain spin.


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: Huskies] * 1
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Hahaha same dude. I had to read and reread...I dont like a lot of numbers and math. Brain struggles to stay on course with all those steps.


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 1
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I’ve used RO water for tea each time and have had some really potent brews, especially with fresh mush and a bit of lemon juice or citric acid.

I could see the lower PPM (parts per million) TDS (total dissolved solids) of distilled or RO water at the start of extraction being impactful in a good way. Vice versa also. (Higher starting PPM being bad.)

Haven’t used a TDS/EC meter in a long time but would be very curious to see before/after readings on some brews.


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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ThurmanMurman said:
EniQma said:
Any side by sides done with distilled vs tap water as far as potency?


Good question!

Follow up question- how about soft water?

Ive now tried to make tea 3x and had horrible results - Last night, I did the double decoction with 20:1 water to mush weight, bring to boil, shut off heat and steep for 15min each.

Took 3g - next to no effect. Just barely fuzzy.

Hour later, took 6g.

45min in and still very little...

Ground up 4g of x7x+ and 1g of PE, mixed into cranberry juice and slammed it. Had the most intense trip of my life. And it was the same x7x+ grow I tried to make tea with the last time.

Idk fuck all about chemistry, but it was soft water used in the tea all 3 times but I wouldn't know if that would have an impact. 🤷‍♂️


I had the same experience. 3G triple simmer tea, very little effect. Ground up 4G, mixed with pomegranade juice, waited for 30 minutes before drinking and... 10 minutes later I'm shaking, getting vasoconstriction and holding on for dear life. Perhaps it's a question of metabolism. Psilocyn vs psilocybin


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: Blueberry Muffin] * 2
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Soft water has a higher pH, so it is less than optimal for extraction, especially when using citric acid.

I always start with distilled water, neutral pH of 7. That way, adding citric acid gives you a predictable level of acidity. Or if you don't add CA, you are still starting with a better solvent.

I'm not sure about pH of RO water, but it at least removes minerals and particulates. Definitely a better choice than soft tap water.


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 4
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ThurmanMurman said:
Ground up 4g of x7x+ and 1g of PE, mixed into cranberry juice and slammed it. Had the most intense trip of my life.



OK, I had to add that to the fucking testimonials on the x7x+ info page, haha. That's almost as fun as Cron saying a not huge amount of x7x+ had him talking to Jim Morrison: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28410760#28410760

Any other juice fans, there are currently three x7x+ spore giveaways, check my sig line.

Maybe 4g of x7x+ and 1g of PE, mixed into cranberry juice and slammed quick should become a named drink.

"BARKEEP! GIMME A THURMAN, AND ONE FOR EVERYONE!" (Pirate slams gold coin on the counter)


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Edited by nektar61 (06/15/25 04:48 AM)

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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: nektar61] * 2
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nektar61 said:
ThurmanMurman said:
Ground up 4g of x7x+ and 1g of PE, mixed into cranberry juice and slammed it. Had the most intense trip of my life.



OK, I had to add that to the fucking testimonials on the x7x+ info page, haha. That's almost as fun as Cron saying a not huge amount of x7x+ had him talking to Jim Morrison: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28410760#28410760

Any other juice fans, there are currently three x7x+ spore giveaways, check my sig line.

Maybe 4g of x7x+ and 1g of PE, mixed into cranberry juice and slammed quick should become a named drink.

"BARKEEP! GIMME A THURMAN, AND ONE FOR EVERYONE!" (Pirate slams gold coin on the counter)


Lmaoooo it's going to become a staple round these parts! I'll be honest, the first 3g I took of x7x+ didn't blow my mind, but I'm gonna be putting it to grain again tonight or tomorrow! It's becoming clear to me too that my body is more of a variable than the mushrooms and I really wish I knew how to prep myself to be more predictable. I almost dont even trust a taste test to tell me how the potency is...


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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ThurmanMurman said:
nektar61 said:
ThurmanMurman said:
Ground up 4g of x7x+ and 1g of PE, mixed into cranberry juice and slammed it. Had the most intense trip
I've never known taste to tell potency. Unlike, say, opium poppies, where the alkaloids are very bitter, psil alks are tasteless.

Also amount of bluing has nothing to do with potency, to debunk an old tale. In fact, PE rarely blues a lot, and I've had weak shrooms that blue a lot.of my life.



OK, I had to add that to the fucking testimonials on the x7x+ info page, haha. That's almost as fun as Cron saying a not huge amount of x7x+ had him talking to Jim Morrison: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28410760#28410760

Any other juice fans, there are currently three x7x+ spore giveaways, check my sig line.

Maybe 4g of x7x+ and 1g of PE, mixed into cranberry juice and slammed quick should become a named drink.

"BARKEEP! GIMME A THURMAN, AND ONE FOR EVERYONE!" (Pirate slams gold coin on the counter)


Lmaoooo it's going to become a staple round these parts! I'll be honest, the first 3g I took of x7x+ didn't blow my mind, but I'm gonna be putting it to grain again tonight or tomorrow! It's becoming clear to me too that my body is more of a variable than the mushrooms and I really wish I knew how to prep myself to be more predictable. I almost dont even trust a taste test to tell me how the potency is...


I've never known taste to tell potency. Unlike, say, opium poppy pod tea where the alkaloids are very bitter, psil alks are tasteless.

(I call opium poppy pod tea "frogwater", I've tossed some pods in a blender with water, strained, choke the green mess down),

Also amount of bluing in shrooms has nothing to do with potency, to debunk an old tale. In fact, PE rarely blues a lot, and I've had weak shrooms that blue a lot.

Did your x7x+ blue? Mine always blue very fast, but sometimes with a greenish tint, which I've also seen with B+ and Z-Strain.

Are you thinking something in the cranberry potentiates the trip?

Did someone recommend that or did you discover by accident?

Does it contain natural MAOIs? Many plants do. So do mushrooms, I have a theory that x7x+ cotanins more than usual. I have the tests and little computer to read it, I measured it at 1.2 percent combined psilos, pretty good, but it SEEMS stronger than that, which more than usual 

Cranberry is sold as a medicinal supplement, affects some human enzyme, here's a government study on it:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4928022/

Oh, here you go:

"Both juices (blueberry and cranberry) were also able to inhibit monoamine oxidase A, tyrosinase, α-glucosidase and dipeptidyl peptidase-4 in a dose-dependent manner. However, cranberry juice had a greater capacity than blueberry juice as an α-glucosidase inhibitor"

https://pubs.rsc.org/en/content/articlelanding/2017/fo/c7fo01205e

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One good way to get less variable results is cloning. A tub of clones has less variation across the tub than a MS (multispore) grow.


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: nektar61] * 1
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I didn't mean literal taste, just taste testing as in trying some to see how potent they are. Would be cool if we could tell with taste though - I can't justify the price tag on those test kits.


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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ThurmanMurman said:
I didn't mean literal taste, just taste testing as in trying some to see how potent they are. Would be cool if we could tell with taste though - I can't justify the price tag on those test kits.



aka Bioassay!

Don't know if you saw my edit as you were posting:

One good way to get less variable results is cloning. A tub of clones has less variation across the tub than a MS (multispore) grow.


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: nocap] * 1
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nocap said:
I could see the lower PPM (parts per million) TDS (total dissolved solids) of distilled or RO water at the start of extraction being impactful in a good way. Vice versa also. (Higher starting PPM being bad.)



Maybe. Whereas well water with lots of minerals naturally occurring is good for growing mushrooms and plants, it might be less good for making active tea.

The one time I made tea it was less effective by about 2/3 than that amount of that that variety should have been. I steeped dried powered shrooms on a low boil for 10 min, strained, added a tea bag, some honey and lemon.

I don't think I did it right but it did work, to an extent.

Was one of the first times I grew, I grew on field-cured cow poo without pasteurizing it, it had bacteria, so I boiled it. Still got a little queasy, I assume the bacteria had some weak toxin that wasn't killed by boiling.


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: nektar61] * 2
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I'd have a Thurmann!!!

Cranberry juice is also very acidic, so I imagine it does the same thing as lemon juice / citric acid in terms of converting psilocybin. That plus MAOIs means I'm doing it!


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: KlarnEvil9]
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KlarnEvil9 said:
I'd have a Thurmann!!!

Cranberry juice is also very acidic, so I imagine it does the same thing as lemon juice / citric acid in terms of converting psilocybin. That plus MAOIs means I'm doing it!


I've never taken specifically MAOIs with drugs, seems scary, especially since I have a heart condition.

Part of what I love about shrooms is they don't last as long as acid. Making it stronger is less scary than making it longer to me.

Sometimes even on the best acid trips I would be thinking "When the fuck will this END?" I never think that on shrooms. 4 to 5 hours is just perfect. Can eat more if I want, and occasionally have, but not often.

x7x+ I've grown have been strong but not long. Perfect.

Some of them grow little aerial mycelium  on the cap, especially when Scemilope grows it! (He said it looked like little hats)

Mycelium is known to have more natural MAOI than the shroom itself. The amounts are still tiny compared to the amounts of Harmala alkaloids  people take with oral DMT or shroomuasca (sp?)

I'm very curious about this cranberry potentiateion idea. A quick search says it is known, but not nearly as discussed as "lemon tek" which I don't get. Is the citric or ascorbic acid supposed to turn psilo into another alkaloid? or make it a more soluble salt, not a freebase?

That second one would likely make sense chemically, since a base, not an acid, would be needed for hydrolosis, and an acid makes an alkaloid into a salt of that alkaloid.

Lemon juice is pretty acidic, "Lemon juice has a pH level between 2 and 3, making it highly acidic. "

It would depend on concentration but:

"freshly extracted, unsweetened cranberry juice is valued between 2.3 and 2.5 on the pH scale, depending on the fruit's state of ripeness. Comparatively, fresh lemon juice is similarly acidic, with an average pH of 2.3."


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: nektar61]
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"Bioassay" sounds entirely too scientific for someone with an IQ of 48. I wouldn't wanna be a poser. 🤣🤣

And yes, Ive done a fair bit of cloning, but it seems that even if I had 2 samples that were dead nuts the same potency, my body's reaction to it could vary and screw up my ability to properly gauge where it's at.

Example - I made about 900 capsules at roughly .6g each. Fruits were ground and blended prior to capping. I took 10 capsules and was severely disappointed to the point that I wanted to just throw them away. I had a friend try them, after telling him I thought they were weak. He took 2 capsules (less than 1.5g) and he thought I punked him by giving him something strong and baiting him into more trip than he signed up for. And he has pretty average tolerance- typically takes an 1/8th when he trips. Idk how 1.5g blew his mind and 6-7g of the same thing left me wanting, but I have a pretty normal tolerance, so I know it wasn't that. 🤷‍♂️


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Re: Top Tea Prep method test per potency testing of dregs, teas, & extracts [Re: nektar61] * 2
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nektar61 said:
KlarnEvil9 said:
I'd have a Thurmann!!!

Cranberry juice is also very acidic, so I imagine it does the same thing as lemon juice / citric acid in terms of converting psilocybin. That plus MAOIs means I'm doing it!


I've never taken specifically MAOIs with drugs, seems scary, especially since I have a heart condition.

Part of what I love about shrooms is they don't last as long as acid. Making it stronger is less scary than making it longer to me.

Sometimes even on the best acid trips I would be thinking "When the fuck will this END?" I never think that on shrooms. 4 to 5 hours is just perfect. Can eat more if I want, and occasionally have, but not often.

x7x+ I've grown have been strong but not long. Perfect.

Some of them grow little aerial mycelium  on the cap, especially when Scemilope grows it! (He said it looked like little hats)

Mycelium is known to have more natural MAOI than the shroom itself. The amounts are still tiny compared to the amounts of Harmala alkaloids  people take with oral DMT or shroomuasca (sp?)

I'm very curious about this cranberry potentiateion idea. A quick search says it is known, but not nearly as discussed as "lemon tek" which I don't get. Is the citric or ascorbic acid supposed to turn psilo into another alkaloid? or make it a more soluble salt, not a freebase?

That second one would likely make sense chemically, since a base, not an acid, would be needed for hydrolosis, and an acid makes an alkaloid into a salt of that alkaloid.


Citric acid coverts psilocybin to psilocin, and the acidulated water will hold the psilocin for longer, as in it doesn't degrade quite as quickly. That conversion makes it hit faster, since your body starts absorbing the psilocin in the mouth/throat/etc. Basically, it helps bypass primary digestion.

My guess is that cranberry juice's acidity performs the same reaction.


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