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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 3
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For the third time in a row, I killed off my outdoor bispo pins. What did they ever do to deserve this? Rethinking my setups.



Meanwhile, first ever cyanescens tub:



I am convinced that the bispo, in a greenhouse or otherwise under cover, would have given some nice fruits by now.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 2
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Oh damn. I love to be wrong so I'm happy you did:rockon:

Are they active enough for a trip though, any of them?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 1
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
If anyone would be so kind to offer me reassurance about my cased trays, it would make me happy.


Since nobody else has answered I'll offer my noob thoughts. I don't think that casing is deep enough, you want to at least cower the mycelium, my view on the main purpose of a casing is to make a microclimate 2-5mm above the substrate surface, that microclimate should be humid and oxygen rich.

You could do a thin casing and still have mycelium pocking out, but I would do 5mm as a minimum, I like my casing around 10-15mm in depth. With verm only casing I would probably do it on the upper end, I would do this because I mist casings and I do not want to mist directly on the mycelium.


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Puduwoke]
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Puduwoke said:
Oh damn. I love to be wrong so I'm happy you did:rockon:

Are they active enough for a trip though, any of them?


Yeah some are active like the cinctulus but they're not very potent as far as I know. I think cubes are about 2-3x more potent than cinctulus and the active pans seem very very rare here... But they exist and I'll be hunting them like Pokémon😁

But there are other potent ones like semilanceta (as you definitely already know) but also Psilocybe cyanescens (wavy caps) have been found here in Sweden as well but they seem awfully rare. I suspect other ones closely related to the wavy cap and also Psilocybe strictipes which is closely related to semilanceta ( from what I've been told but this is debatable) exist here.

I've heard about other ones too but they're potentially poisonous from what I've been told.


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Edited by SkanskKorv (06/07/25 04:28 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv]
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Fimicola is probably a bit stronger than cincts.  It's fairly rare here in the states though.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 6
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: EniQma] * 12
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Some second flush bisporus and a nice clump of mycelial cords.

Normally I cut instead of pull.  But these got sprayed with BT and I don't trust it to not give folks the shits.


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And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
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With no problems

Edited by tree frog (06/07/25 07:49 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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tree frog said:
Fimicola is probably a bit stronger than cincts.  It's fairly rare here in the states though.


I read up on these just now and they've been found within a few km away from that area before so it could be but the stipe seems much thinner than the one I found and the hat seems to be a bit different.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv]
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I was just saying for future reference.  I don't believe that's a pan you posted.

Most active pans have black spores.  Those that aren't are red spore mutations, like the RDU cyans.

Spore color is an okay way to separate cinctulis from look alikes.

But again, for future reference.  What you found wasn't a pan imo.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (06/07/25 07:54 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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I guess I'll have to wait for the print to be done before I know the color of it. I've seen pans which resemble it and also others that are no pans which look very similar and this confuses my noob ass a lot.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: SkanskKorv] * 2
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The color pattern is similar to cinctulis, but looks more yellow than brown from the photos.  And the location is right, but wood debris fungi can grow in grass, as sticks etc. are often buried under the soil surface.

The fruit morphology is kinda thick too.  And I don't see any mottling apparent on the gills (this is a defining feature of Pans at maturity, along with the lack of veil).

I know I just posted this but reposting for context.



These are some of the thickest pans I've ever grown.  And they're very delicate, the caps tore off a few others I wanted to include for the photo and the stipes are pretty soggy and delicate vs. being woody and tough.  Also, the mottling of the gills is very apparent in the third mushroom from the left.

Fimicola looks like it can get pretty meaty from some of the photos I've seen on iNaturalist.  But generally those are specimens found in sand rather than grass, as they go short and fat rather than tall when grass isn't present.  Also, they're more dark brown than yellow.  And the ones that are yellow are a brown yellow vs. an orange yellow.

https://www.inaturalist.org/taxa/351673-Panaeolus-fimicola/browse_photos


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (06/07/25 09:07 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Adas] * 2
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What is it needing?  Why does it look like it's searching for the great beyond.
Have a fan running through through my fogger tub, water is 93, for FAE and also to heat it and I think I'm getting to much humidity from evaporation.  It looks like it's wanting something though.  Fogger has been unplugged.

Edited by COPain (06/07/25 09:53 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: EniQma] * 1
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EniQma said:



:pawshake:?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: COPain]
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COPain said:
What is it needing?  Why does it look like it's searching for the great beyond.
Have a fan running through through my fogger tub, water is 93, for FAE and also to heat it and I think I'm getting to much humidity from evaporation.  It looks like it's wanting something though.  Fogger has been unplugged.


It could be a lot of things.

What tub are you using?  You mentioned a fogger as well as heated water.  Is it like a hybrid JCM/Dreamer?

But, essentially, what you want is for the fogger to automist the substrate surface and mushroom caps, so they almost always have some moisture on them.  With periods of lower humidity so that water can all evaporate off.  The cycles should be setup so the fruits never dry out with all the evaporation they'll want to keep the fruits cool during fruiting.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10175714/

The tldr on the article, at least how it applies to pans.

They want high temperatures to trigger pinning as that's when their babies have the best chance of surviving in their environmental niche.  But they need a lot of evaporation, so they can cool off and protect the genetic material from being damaged in the heat as the spores develop.  Ssimilar to how testicles are outside the body, where it's a touch cooler, fruit bodies run several degrees C below ambient for proper development to protect the DNA when it's most vulnerable.  And they take advantage of evaporation to accomplish this.

All of that said, it could also be how it's cased.  Or just a poorly fruiting set of genetics that likes to stay vegetative and overlays instead of making many mushrooms.


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (06/07/25 10:48 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Thanks for the reply and direction.  Guess I'll try some more, isn't that the goal.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: COPain] * 1
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For sure :smile:

It does look like the fruits and casing have some good condensation on them.  The trick is frequent removal (evaporation) and replacement of that condensation (misting or fogging).


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (06/07/25 11:55 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dala] * 4
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Dala said:
EniQma said:



:pawshake:?


Haha hell yeah
Just about, commencing the great shake tonight


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: EniQma] * 7
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Finally got around to posting this; MIB RS so it goes:
agar->popcorn->manure->CV casing.
The cap doesn't seem to wanna open up all the way, and only SOME have those beautiful pink gills! Such tometose and fast growing mycelium!



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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Wedgie] * 5
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I had the misfortune of losing all my cultures last summer, thanks to a small hurricane that left me without power for over a week. It reached the upper 90s ˚F inside...

So, I bought a couple of spore prints, including one that is supposed to be a wild-collected BVI spore print. So, I started the spores on MEA (0.5% LME/2.0% agar), took stabs from the spore plates to new MEA... and then got busy with work. I came back to the plates about 5 weeks later and found this!?! I thought pans didn't like to pin on agar?



Anyway, it gave me a chance to clone what is obviously a decent mycelium. I sent that clone to grain (no-prep millet, 1 quart), then S2B using just CV with a thin layer of uninoculated CV on top, in a 6-qt shoe box. The thing has been bloody damn slow, but pins are maturing. The pins don't look like a cube to me...



Finally, if I leave the plates on the bench longer, I even get some funky shapes (and more plate pins).



Am I dreaming? I spent about a year throwing away my initial attempts at pans, thanks to what is probably a combination of poor genetics/bad selection from spore plates and contaminated (Penicillium). But, I'm finally making some progress. I'll switch to CV with manure, now that I have some... maybe that'll speed things up.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: pablotx]
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It's rare, but they'll pin on agar.

Also, looks like pan myc to me :smile:

Look forward to seeing how it fruits for you.


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I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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