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Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) * 2
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Fruiting well in the low 70s.  Was told the mycelium doesn't look like cinctulis (I saw the myc but haven't grown cincts myself).  My best guess is olivaceous, and will have them scoped hopefully next week.

I haven't been able to get photos of the original find, but was told they looked like peace river cyans.

Peace river my friend compared the collection photos too.



Unidentified Pan Oregon.  Slight bluing in the pins.








Any prescope thoughts?


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Edited by tree frog (05/04/25 12:49 PM)

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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: tree frog]
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They look like pan cinctulus to me.

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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: Koenigstuhl]
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Yeah, t's hard to tell I guess without scoping it.

Definitely active though.








I will take a cap up to my friend and scope it tomorrow.  Bioassay half a gram Wednesday.  Starting low in case it's an undescribed section cyanescens or something out of range.


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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: tree frog] * 1
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So cool. Please share your findings here

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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: Koenigstuhl]
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Will do!  I also DMed workman, he knew I was planning to grow this out and was curious about it too so.  Hopefully he will chime in with his thoughts and I will add some microscopy pictures tonight or tomorrow morning.


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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: tree frog]
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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: tree frog] * 6
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Cool! Panaeolus olivaceus is my guess, especially if no microsclerotia was observed at any point during cultivation. Cinctulus and fimicola tend to form those small blue sclerotia on agar and grain. Fimicola has dark brownish/yellow pleurocystidia (sulphidia) that cinctulus and olivaceus lack.  It is always possible that it is something completely new. I await the microscopy.

Here are some old microscopy images of the potential species that I put together. I really need to update these soon and add the chlorocystis :wink:

https://sporeworks.com/gallery.php?g=panaeolus&id=3


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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: Workman]
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Appreciate you fam :smile:

Here's some more photos, very dark bruising.  Smelled like cyans when I picked some for prints.







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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: tree frog]
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I wouldn't expect P. olivaceous to bruise prominently like that, tbh-- is there a reason for us not considering P. bisporus?


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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: Moria841]
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Mostly because I've grown a lot of bisporus, both the colville and the San Diego collection.  The mycelium doesn't match, nor does the pin or mature fruit morphology.

But I do think it might be a close relative, in section cyanescens.  Could even be a cyan that showed up in manure. Or something undescribed.  If I trip off half a gram Wednesday, I imagine that will give us a better idea :lol:

And of course I will post the scope pictures, it's looking like Tuesday night we will do that.


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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: tree frog] * 1
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It does bruise exceptionally dark for olivaceus. A quick microscopic examination to rule out metuloid pleurocystidia would help here. They are large and super easy to see under the microscope.

https://sporeworks.com/gallery.php?g=subgenus-copelandia&id=1


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Edited by Workman (05/05/25 08:17 PM)

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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: Workman]
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:popcorn:


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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: Nitro87] * 1
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Another photo dump.

Pins



Abort from misting.



Nearly mature fruits




And these ones I will print this morning, because they are mature.





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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: tree frog] * 2
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We thought the closest to workman's keys was bisporus.  But it has not expressed like either of the two strains I have worked with at all, it's much faster. It behaves differently on grain, colonizes more thickly on substrate.  And macroscopically it's not similar at all. So yeah it's very interesting :smile:  And likely very strong.


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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Beautiful grow tree frog. I really love these grass plus shrooms grows. So cool!

I have some shrooms growing outside my door at the moment which I think might be cintcs. I’ll have to make an ID request.


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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: Bardy] * 1
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Thanks fam :heart:

I was just thinking I need to do these outside this summer.  They're pinning aggressively on phase 2 compost and hemp.  A bit sensitive to over misting so I have had some aborts.

But overall they seem pretty happy in the tent for being first generation from a wild print.

Pinned quickly. I did give them a couple of days to consolidate the substrate before casing, and then a couple of days to colonize the casing before moving them into the tent.







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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: tree frog]
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I had a feeling the metuloids would be present with the dark bluing, but I hesitated due to the fact that you are very familiar with bisporus and stated that it was different. But it certainly appears to be bisporus and appears more friendly to cultivation compared to the other versions in circulation. A good find. And there is still a chance it is genetically distinct. Any plans for genetic testing?


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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: Workman]
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Yeah, I am in contact with the same guy you suggested in the DM :smile:

I will email him today.


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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: tree frog]
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Someone on discord thought this is a four spored basidia.  Any thoughts?  I think I will have to scope some caps that haven't dropped spores.

Here's some photos this morning.  Humidity in the tent is around 95%.  Because they were so sensitive to misting I messed with conditions to make sure the caps were getting fogged.



A large specimen from one of the bags topped with grass.





Genetics guy wants more info on the original collection to do the sequencing.  Said his plate is pretty full atm otherwise.


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Re: Unidentified Pan from Oregon (cultivated pics) [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Maybe... but it isn't very clear. But even so, bisporus can have an occasional 4-spored basidium.


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