sprnk said:

I'm trippin right now but just want to throw out vapor pressure deficit (VPD).
Has a nice equation for plants in a greenhouse. Maybe one day shroomies can get a pretty equation.

"Unlike relative humidity, vapour-pressure deficit has a simple nearly straight-line relationship to the rate of evapotranspiration and other measures of evaporation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapour-pressure_deficit

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LewDoja said:

Dala said:

I kinda think fae is a fair term, despite the stigma. I mean, fresh air is exchanged, right?

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I agree it's a fair term but the it's more than just what words those letters represent.

Some species are intolerant to high C0₂, so that could mean "increase FAE",

rather than replacing F.A.E. with another broad term, breaking it into more precise components can improve communication within the community

Environmental regulation

Myco-Environmental Regulation (MER) – Ties it directly to mycology.

Air-Humidity Balance (AHB) – Short, easy to use in discussion.

Dynamic Environmental Exchange (DEE) – Covers air, humidity, and gas levels

.Gas & Evaporation Optimization (GEO) – Pinpoints the key mechanisms.Microclimate Optimization


Just spit balling

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ReverendMyc said:

BeefSupremeJr said:

Stipe-n Cap said:

As soon as the grain is spawned into an open environment, those are fruiting conditions. The idea that latching lids or covering holes somehow extends the spawn run phase is obviously inaccurate, you've just "unmodified" your tub.

I'm on board with the change in lexicon.

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Thank you Cap'n. "fruiting conditions".  The term makes my eye twitch every time I see it and I just know that whoever is saying it came from reddit.

I feel that "FAE" too is something that is misunderstood in general. Its thought of something that is either 'on' or 'off' with regard to "fruiting conditions".  Its just air. Everyone wants a one-size-fits-all system, and it just isn't a system at all. Different strains need different environments.  I'm on the precipace of making a tub that is specifically for my albinos and I'm close to releasing prototype designs. 

Monitoring surface conditions is by far the most "difficult" part of the craft and it will never be a "system" or a "process" that can be explained in a step-by-step "tek" per se. Its an intuitive thing and some people just seem to get it right away while other people struggle and say things like "just tell me what to do".

I'm having a hard time articulating what i'm even trying to say or whats bothering me about it which is why i brought it up here. Was hoping for the crew to help me sort it out and then I might actually write something up about it.

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This hits pretty hard. Different requirements for different conditions and species is easy to overlook when writing a tek. I am afraid that changing the words we use will not entirely solve the issue. Like you said, some growers just want a recipe to follow but it really takes some understanding of concepts to be able to get good results across the board.

I think that teks are like recipes. If you don't know what you are doing but you can follow a recipe you can bake a cake. But if you want to build a beautiful, light and fluffy, 7 tier wedding cake masterpiece, you are going to need to know more than ingredients and baking temperature. You are going to have to learn some concepts. There is nothing wrong with just wanting some brownies, though.

So you start by recommending the basics. New folks get some mush and learn a bit along the way. Then if they want more, they learn a few more advanced concepts and teks and get some bulk and more experience. Then try a few exotics and gourmets, learn a bit more and some humility along the way.

So I guess I am saying that teks and concepts can be the yin and yang in cult. Each half builds from the other. Without the practical experience, all of the concepts in the world are meaningless. Without understanding the correct concepts you may have some success but are doomed repeated failures and very little improvement. A tek is saying here is what I do and it works reliably for me, where a conceptual write up is saying this is how things work and you should be able to apply this information to improve your skills and results. A conceptual write up will probably always be more difficult to produce than a tek.

Surface conditions are a key concept that people struggle with. I think grain prep is also a sticking point. When people find what works for them it is easy to think they have cracked the code and want to share what works. But the recipe that worked for you in your specific region, setup, or conditions may not be ideal for someone else. That is where the concepts are more important than the recipe.

Sorry, back to FAE. The concept is what matters more than the words, but getting the point across is the tricky bit. People learn in different ways. I like to use metaphors to explain concepts. Some people need visuals. Other need engineering level language and math. So maybe any write up should contain a little bit of each to try to get the point across.

For FAE or ET I would start with what it is and isn't. Then a boxing or whatever metaphor. Then drawings followed by the technical info for us nerds.

I am also working on a prototype tub design, but for a wide array of species and varieties for my environment, limitations and conditions. It is entirely about adjusting the amount of air exchange while maintaining surface conditions for different species. So it flies in the face of some of your point here. But that is more about me using the wrong words rather than disagreeing with the concepts. No separate fruiting conditions, fanning, misting, fogging, anal beads, bubble wrap or flipped lids. Works great for some species and just okay for others that I am still dialing in. Only a few more years of testing to go. lol

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LewDoja said:

Dala said:

I kinda think fae is a fair term, despite the stigma. I mean, fresh air is exchanged, right?

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I agree it's a fair term but the it's more than just what words those letters represent.

Some species are intolerant to high C0₂, so that could mean "increase FAE",

rather than replacing F.A.E. with another broad term, breaking it into more precise components can improve communication within the community

Environmental regulation

Myco-Environmental Regulation (MER) – Ties it directly to mycology.

Air-Humidity Balance (AHB) – Short, easy to use in discussion.

Dynamic Environmental Exchange (DEE) – Covers air, humidity, and gas levels

.Gas & Evaporation Optimization (GEO) – Pinpoints the key mechanisms.Microclimate Optimization


Just spit balling

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LadysKnight said:

While we are discussing Air Humidity, is that what we mean? Or are we actually more concerned with Surface Humidity? Should the term more closely relate to the desired outcome? Or is the surface just an indicator of the more relevant metric, air humidity? Can you have good Air Humidity and a dry surface? Can you have a perfectly beaded surface with over or under-humid air? Are they 2 issues?

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LadysKnight said:

While we are discussing Air Humidity, is that what we mean? Or are we actually more concerned with Surface Humidity? Should the term more closely relate to the desired outcome? Or is the surface just an indicator of the more relevant metric, air humidity? Can you have good Air Humidity and a dry surface? Can you have a perfectly beaded surface with over or under-humid air? Are they 2 issues?

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