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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: B Traven]
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Most 0f this " old" info comes from gourmet growers using their techniques on cubes , but cubes are simple weeds they are hard to fuck up Weather u tape your holes leave it in the dark or use a drip shield.
But we can't universally say fruiting at spawn is a mushroom thing...it's ok for cubes so is light so is dark so is limited fae or limited gas exchange.
But in the rest of the world lions mane uses light a lot different, oysters get better gas exchange in their bags enoki grown in the dark produces a different look all together ect


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: cronicr] * 1
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cronicr said:
But we can't universally say fruiting at spawn is a mushroom thing..


No, of course not, another thing about the fungal kingdom that's so hard to wrap our heads around is just how diverse it is.

Though it still seems like most of what I've heard about techniques for culinary species inappropriately bleeding over into cube world is more about differences in cultivation setups, like pushing spawn ratios to the limit and whatnot.

I don't know shit about how lion's mane is grown on a commercial scale, but I'm imagining stuff like a bunch of colonizing bags sitting in a dark barn, and then getting sliced open for fruiting and put under lights in a different room. Anyway, point being, I'm imagining that the differences would arise from both biology and cultivation parameters.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: B Traven]
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Coming over here from Reddit and all the guides there that talk about fanning and misting religiously.

What is the correct technique for hydrating a substrate/mycelium mix that is supposed to be fruiting just in case I screw something up? I had good hydration when I went into S2B but now I think I overdried my cakes with too much FAE or overfanning. I was doing misting for a week or two and now that's also considered old tek (I don't think it was very helpful anyways)

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: LilSassy]
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pf tek cakes? youre using a water tub? 
sounds like you need to read comebackkids guide to surface conditions i can link you when i get home if uou cant find it.  its in the hitchhikers guide


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme] * 2
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I say cakes but really the mixture inside of my monotubs/shoeboxes.

I'll go ahead and find the guide, currently reading through the hitchhiker's guide right now to re-orient myself and deprogram from a lot of Reddit garbage.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23999053/fpart/29/vc/1

Edited by LilSassy (01/13/25 12:58 AM)

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: LilSassy]
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sounds good.  Start there and pay really close attention to comebacks article. Wrapping your head around surface conditions and what actually causes pinning is critical.  I really don't believe in misting. Perfectly sparkly surface conditions should happen automatically if you've done everything right.  i mist when ive fucked up.  i never fan.  correct fae is the key.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Basically, get substrate to field capacity before spawning. If you're drying out during colonization and fruiting, then there's too much FAE and it's stealing your moisture. It's kind of hard to give an exact recipe for success bc of differences in environment, tub used, whether its modified with holes, etc.

You'll need to get a feel for what things should look like and adjust accordingly. At full colonization, you'll want what looks like dew on the surface. No water droplets - you're too dry and need to mist. Dont hammer the myc with the water but spray above it and let it disperse and float down. Ive been doing a lot of that this winter myself. Small apartment and a weird furnace set up that I think is causing a lot of air turbulence and drying me out.
BeefSupremeJr said:
sounds good.  Start there and pay really close attention to comebacks article. Wrapping your head around surface conditions and what actually causes pinning is critical.  I really don't believe in misting. Perfectly sparkly surface conditions should happen automatically if you've done everything right.  i mist when ive fucked up.  i never fan.  correct fae is the key.


I've had to mist since Ive been using my furnace and I hate it. Small apartment, furnace is in a closet not far from my tubs...kind of a redneck engineered thing all around, but unfortunately there isnt really anything to do about it.  I was going to try something like bagging the shoeboxes leading up to full colonization, but that feels like it could cause other problems. I just had a shoebox pin like a mf, so I'm probably ok, but I do not like it, regardless.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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I know this was in the original outdated post, but I have a (probably) stupid question. In the event of something like this (a furnace drying out tubs, naturally being <20% RH, etc), would it make sense to run a humidifier given it was in a small enough space to raise the actual humidity levels in the room? Or is it simply still a FAE issue because your true climate (i.e. humidity) is in the tub and so by slightly altering your FAE rate (crack the lid less) you would eliminate the external influence?

Sorry in advance, but I’m brand new to this and I ask because I’m in a very small room and will be moving to an even smaller room so it would be easy to control the climate in the area (we’re taking 4x6x4-6ish feet ha), but at the same time it does seem dumb in a way to worry about the humidity outside of the tub when you could just adjust FAE and/or misting frequency. Looking for far more experienced minds to impart some knowledge.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Rooster87] * 3
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not a stupid question at all and i think youll see that this particular question can really cause a lot of drama among more experienced growers.

personally, i think managing a humidifier is a pita, no matter what the size of tank is youll end up filling it alot. 

moreover to change the humidity to a level that will actually help manage surface conditions at all will also damage your house. wood and other porous building materials will swell.  paint will blister.

moreover, youll grow mildew and other molds.

thats my opinion on humidifiers. ive tried using one in my little closet growing space and it caused all the aforementioned issues.

what i recommend instead is playing with tub design.  ive been working on tub designs and plan to release a write-up at some point but basically, im using normal 20qt or 16qt tubs with non latching lids and various hole patterns.

the design im liking lately has three holes melted down the long sides (with a screwdriver)
then two holes on the short ends.  about dead center of the height.

then theres two holes in the lid.  like so:

[• •]

then i have different configurations of micropore tape.  honestly one size just doesnt fit all! some strains just seem to sweat a lot more than others and need different settings!

im not quite ready to release a full writeup on this but this is the cutting edge of tub design and surface conditions.  a lot of the old growers like to pretend we have everything perfected but keeping an open mind in this hobby is prudent my friend. 

hope that helps!  thanks for being with us.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Rooster87]
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Rooster87 said:
I know this was in the original outdated post, but I have a (probably) stupid question. In the event of something like this (a furnace drying out tubs, naturally being <20% RH, etc), would it make sense to run a humidifier given it was in a small enough space to raise the actual humidity levels in the room? Or is it simply still a FAE issue because your true climate (i.e. humidity) is in the tub and so by slightly altering your FAE rate (crack the lid less) you would eliminate the external influence?

Sorry in advance, but I’m brand new to this and I ask because I’m in a very small room and will be moving to an even smaller room so it would be easy to control the climate in the area (we’re taking 4x6x4-6ish feet ha), but at the same time it does seem dumb in a way to worry about the humidity outside of the tub when you could just adjust FAE and/or misting frequency. Looking for far more experienced minds to impart some knowledge.


I live in the desert and my RH is usually less than 15%. You're right on the button - worry about what's going on inside the tub and adjust the FAE for what you need. If you need to mist do it, but you shouldn't need to fan anything, just adjust or flip lids as needed. I use small tubs partly because I find them easier to control in a dry environment. Good luck.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Rooster87]
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Rooster87 said:
I know this was in the original outdated post, but I have a (probably) stupid question. In the event of something like this (a furnace drying out tubs, naturally being <20% RH, etc), would it make sense to run a humidifier given it was in a small enough space to raise the actual humidity levels in the room? Or is it simply still a FAE issue because your true climate (i.e. humidity) is in the tub and so by slightly altering your FAE rate (crack the lid less) you would eliminate the external influence?

Sorry in advance, but I’m brand new to this and I ask because I’m in a very small room and will be moving to an even smaller room so it would be easy to control the climate in the area (we’re taking 4x6x4-6ish feet ha), but at the same time it does seem dumb in a way to worry about the humidity outside of the tub when you could just adjust FAE and/or misting frequency. Looking for far more experienced minds to impart some knowledge.


If you run a humidifier  you're heat will hold and carry better, if ya have one I see no downside to running them IMO


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: cronicr]
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i also agree with that.  small spaces especially. 
the best systems are the ones we make time and energy for.  i know im way too busy to muck around with one and i dont have a shred of extra space


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Thanks for the reply. Makes sense about it doing more harm to your house than any good you might see out of it.

I’ll keep any eye out for that modified tub design, sounds like something I’ll have to try. Anything that takes away the guess work from my dumb ass is a no brainer.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: FuzzyFoot]
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Damn I feel quite moist now in my 20-26% RH.

Yeah definitely don’t expect to need more fae, but I expect to mist more than I initially thought but that’s no big deal.

And yeah using smaller tubs rather than the 32 qt ones starting out would’ve been smart, but nobody ever accused me of being smart.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
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Stipe-n Cap said:
"Hey noob, go drill 10,000 evenly spaced holes in a tub, be careful not to crack it":rofl:


I get a message that this is out for trash around the corner within 10 minutes of reading this.




Snagged it anyway.  Figure I can doctor it into something.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Strong Belwas] * 1
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Sgfc works great :shrug: if the holes are there...use it lol


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: cronicr]
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Is there a good use if I mainly run shoeboxes and monos?

Besides general repurposing?  I have two nice 66 qt monos made to purpose and it is a bit tall considering I like those better.  I'm newer so I like diversifying my futures with the smaller tubs and boxes at the moment.

Edited by Strong Belwas (08/07/25 01:42 AM)

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Strong Belwas]
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Meh, cakes are good for chasing clones or testing clones ect but if you're growing bulk already a sgfc won't do ya a whole lot , great for exotics like Mac's pancakes ect though


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: cronicr]
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Thanks for your thoughts!

I can always use it to hold shoeboxes in my growing space to reduce FAE a bit while the monos breath more. I run monos and shoeboxes together and it seems the ideal amount of FAE is different for the two in my setup.  I'm still getting my 2nd and 3rd grows under my belt so I might be totally wrong about that.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Strong Belwas] * 1
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Can run gourmet in the SGFC too.  Lion’s mane, etc.
Typically need much more FAE than cubes.


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