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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: curenado]
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Buddy, I make the best Boston sours, you you dont even know.

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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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ThurmanMurman said:
Ive got 5 germ plates going now, I just ended up with a couple grain jars knocked with mss bc I just did what I used to do, then did some reading and realized everyone is saying agar is easy, which after only one go at it, I'd agree with.


The other stuff came along and was supposed to be convenience and so easy anybody could do it and you didn't have to pour any messy agar dishes.... nobody ever said it was best


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: BeefExtreme] * 2
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An hour of sifting through this thread answered so many questions, my thanks gentlemen. 

Adding the GOAT thread to favorites and bumping for posterity. :grin:


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: True North] * 1
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The super cake teks.


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: vicepope]
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Lol I remember those, flax seed and all types of crap , cakes are already pushing the boarders on being too nutritious 😂


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: cronicr]
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This should be required reading.


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: morningWood]
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Should brown rice flour/vermiculaite cakes be considered obsolete tech? This seems very fiddly for small crops vs mono tub tek. It never appealed to me despite being sold as the 'foolproof' method for beginners.

I've read this whole thread carefully and couldn't find any details of why fanning tubs is now considered a waste of time. Anyone clue me up?

Edited by groton (09/05/24 06:35 PM)

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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: groton] * 6
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PF TEK is still the most likely way to succeed as you gain experience. It is not the only way, though. I started with agar and oats and grew 8 full sized unbodified tubs when I first started. Depends on how much time, effort and care you are willing to put in up front.

Check the HHG for great answers to lots of beginner questions.

But to answer to the fanning thing, passive fresh air exchange (fae) means that you are making sure that the mycelium and mushrooms are getting sufficient air to breath at all times while maintaining humidity instead of fanning and giving them occasional bursts of air while depriving them of moisture. Passive fae is nurturing and fanning is torturing. Both can work, but why would you want to make the little ones suffer?


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: ReverendMyc] * 5
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ReverendMyc said:
PF TEK is still the most likely way to succeed as you gain experience. It is not the only way, though. I started with agar and oats and grew 8 full sized unbodified tubs when I first started. Depends on how much time, effort and care you are willing to put in up front.

Check the HHG for great answers to lots of beginner questions.

But to answer to the fanning thing, passive fresh air exchange (fae) means that you are making sure that the mycelium and mushrooms are getting sufficient air to breath at all times while maintaining humidity instead of fanning and giving them occasional bursts of air while depriving them of moisture. Passive fae is nurturing and fanning is torturing. Both can work, but why would you want to make the little ones suffer?


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Just to pile on:

PFtek is still good if you're looking for a more-or-less one step process that involves using spore syringes. It doesn't require climbing any particular learning curve to meet with at least some success.

Fanning is essentially pointless for the same reason that trying to cover air holes for colonization is: we don't actually have that kind of control over fresh air exchange in either direction. Storage tub designs vary, but most are not at all air-tight. There are enough gaps for air exchange to happen naturally via diffusion. When you factor in the heat that substrates generate, leading to convection as well, there's more than enough. Which also means that you've got plenty of evaporation off the surface, and don't need to artificially create it. The only real difference between lid on and lid off is moisture retention in the tub. Fanning and misting is just a whole process of creating an artificial problem -drying out your sub- and then screwing things up further trying to fix it (via excessive misting).


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Re: The OFFICIAL bone-yard of the debunked, obsolete, outdated, and white noise of mushroom cultivation. [Re: B Traven] * 8
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Piling on further: as far as I know PF Tek is still unrivaled in how accessible it is. Can be done with spore syringes and a pot with a lid, BRF, vermiculite and water. Can even get away with doing it in open air, flaming a needle and inoculating through the four holes and the dry verm layer right on your kitchen counter and still get results. It remains the lowest barrier to entry for someone to go from nothing to mature fruits with minimal expense and effort, so for those reasons I'd have to argue it is very much not obsolete. Plus cakes are cute


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: CocaineBuffet] * 1
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This thread has been quite informational and is helping me connect some of the dots between what and why.  However, one outdated tek mentioned that has not been elucidated on is:
CocaineBuffet said:
Spores to penis


Dare I ask what this means?

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Jebi] * 3
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It's been debunked as a reliable cult method


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: LadysKnight] * 4
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LadysKnight said:
It's been debunked as a reliable cult method


Link to a tek? Do I have to PC my penis first? How long? It's not very big, so I would think I can run it for 30min with my agar? Let me know - I'd like to get started on this right away.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 2
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ThurmanMurman said:
LadysKnight said:
It's been debunked as a reliable cult method


Link to a tek? Do I have to PC my penis first? How long? It's not very big, so I would think I can run it for 30min with my agar? Let me know - I'd like to get started on this right away.


If I recall correctly, you have to eat 10g or more of dried penis envy in order for this to have any hope of working

At which point your dick will fall off out of envy, and you can simply sprinkle spores on top of it and it will grow more mushrooms.

But I guess it's been debunked so.


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: tree frog] * 2
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On 10g penis envy there's no penis, because there's no me


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Blueberry Muffin]
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Does anyone have a link to the experiments that were done on colonization vs straight to fruiting?


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 2
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Spawning IS fruiting conditions. The moment your spawn leaves it's sealed, sterile, fresh air restricted environment and is introduced to fresh air and a moist substrate...these are the conditions that produce fruit: fruiting conditions.

Taping up tub holes, etc, doesn't change this scenario, you've just spawned to what's essentially an unmodified tub. Any side by side comparisons will produce the same results because the environment/conditions are the same.

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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: Stipe-n Cap] * 1
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what the capn said but also--and ive almost said this before--our community and our forum IS the experiment.  as stipe has said, we arent curing cancer.  we dont exactly have a peer review process.  Our history IS the process. our records and our utterly bottomless well of discussions of our techniques is the study itself.  we dont just start doing things because we assume its better.  we do thigs the way we do things becsuse we know its better.  so its really difficult to point someone to a single thread that conclusively demonstrates what someone wants to see of any given technique.  the whole thing has to at least digested in large part. 

my opinion is, that is what a TC truly is.  someone whos been around for most of the coversation and digested the majority of it.

Putting trust into the community of tcs can seem like blind faith for that reason. 

hope that helps


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
what the capn said but also--and ive almost said this before--our community and our forum IS the experiment.  as stipe has said, we arent curing cancer.  we dont exactly have a peer review process.  Our history IS the process. our records and our utterly bottomless well of discussions of our techniques is the study itself.  we dont just start doing things because we assume its better.  we do thigs the way we do things becsuse we know its better.  so its really difficult to point someone to a single thread that conclusively demonstrates what someone wants to see of any given technique.  the whole thing has to at least digested in large part. 

my opinion is, that is what a TC truly is.  someone whos been around for most of the coversation and digested the majority of it.

Putting trust into the community of tcs can seem like blind faith for that reason. 

hope that helps



Thanks for the information. I wasn't asking because I doubted the results. I've had great results with introducing fae at spawn. I was just curious if someone had done side by side tests and wrote it in a post so I could show others who insist on restricting fae. It's NBD if it doesn't exist. I appreciate you taking the time to reply


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Re: outdated and obsolete information 2023 edition [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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My personal take on it, based on personal experience, is that it's all just a lot more nebulous than most of us want to admit. At least at the scale that homo sapiens percieves it.

The creation of "colonization" and "fruiting" phases is just like the idea of "flushes"- it's our behavior and a specific interpretation of events that make them real, not biology. Putting my tubs in the dark, depriving them of extra FAE, etc., definitely manipulated their growing conditions in some way. Whether it had any impact on fruiting and colonization is another matter entirely. I was sometimes slowing or increasing the rate of evaporation, maybe, but even that's dubious. The fact is that people make up spawning and fruiting schemes, and most of them work OK, which leads to a ton of confirmation bias. But see enough plate pins turn into decently sized sporulating fruit in a sealed petri dish, and enough tubs kick out fruit in a dark closet, and you start to realize that it's all a question of degrees, and we're just desperately trying to superimpose some sort of plant-or-animap logic to it.

To ask whether "colonization conditons" are an effective horticultural tool, even if not strictly necessary, you have to define what sort of overall method you're employing. And which cultures, and a bunch of other parameters I'm not thinking of. And people are doing all sorts of different things out there. So this sort of question typically starts out flawed, because it's predicated on reading one spawning TEK or another and assuming that they represent the best state-of-the-art, when it's really just one person's description of how they geek out on that part of the process. Again, due in part to confirmation bias because good clean genetics will kick out fruit in such a wide variety of circumstances.


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