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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: spasm666]
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spasm666 said:
People usually ask the other way but how about this:

Could cubes be grown easily with the same method gourmet mushrooms are grown? Like make a bag, sterilize in atmospheric steamer, inoculate (with grain spawn or liquid inoculant) in front of a flowhood, incubate and after colonized (and consolidated?) fruit in a FC with conditions dialed in for gourmets? I'm not interested in doing it myself but someone asked be and I wasn't totally sure what to answer him.


The process is roughly the same, as I'm doing my first gourmet grow with Blue Oysters and Lions Mane. The growing conditions are quite different though. Cubes seem to grow almost anywhere whereas at least the two I'm growing require more humidity and FAE... a more sophisticated setup.

The grow starts with inoculating grain then spawning to the right substrate (usually some form of wood chips, pellets or sawdust) then put into bags to form blocks that they fruit out of.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: KauaiOrca] * 3
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:whathesaid:
Cubes are easy. Any time I am failing with exotics, gourmets, or medicinal species I go back to cubes for a confidence boost.

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: JW123]
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JW123 said:
:whathesaid:
Cubes are easy. Any time I am failing with exotics, gourmets, or medicinal species I go back to cubes for a confidence boost.


I'm super stoked about my first attempt at gourmet mushrooms. I've got my first Lions Mane and Blue Oysters ready to harvest probably this weekend although I really don't know when they're at peak harvest time. These are where they are at today...





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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Those are looking great!

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: JW123]
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JW123 said:
Those are looking great!


How close do you think the Oysters are to being at the right day to harvest?


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I have never grown oysters, I'm the only one in my family that likes them. I am sure someone else in here will know. I was popping back in to ask about chestnut fruiting strategies. I have three fully colonized blocks, and I think one of them is starting to pin. Any advice would be appreciated.

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: JW123]
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JW123 said:
I have never grown oysters, I'm the only one in my family that likes them. I am sure someone else in here will know. I was popping back in to ask about chestnut fruiting strategies. I have three fully colonized blocks, and I think one of them is starting to pin. Any advice would be appreciated.


The next variety I want to grow is Chestnuts so I'll follow what advice you get.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: JW123] * 1
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JW123 said:
I have never grown oysters, I'm the only one in my family that likes them. I am sure someone else in here will know. I was popping back in to ask about chestnut fruiting strategies. I have three fully colonized blocks, and I think one of them is starting to pin. Any advice would be appreciated.


I wait until I see chestnut pins in the bag. Then I cut the bag off at sub level and toss in the tent. Once they pin I’ve always gotten a good cluster, but getting them to pin is hit or miss for me. Could be a week after colonization, could be a month. They always pin eventually, and will pin on agar plates pretty reliably, but they have their own timeframe.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: RoscoeReturns]
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So basically if I wanted I could do cubes along my gourmets, changing nothing in the process except using cube spawn instead of oyster spawn? Same substrate, ssme unicorn bags, same heat treating, same inoculation, same incubation and same FC (dialed for oysters)?

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: spasm666] * 1
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I doubt cubensis would do well with wood substrate, but you could try. If you were trying to get away with using the same ~everything for oysters and cubes, pasteurized straw (which you can inoculate in open air, using more grain spawn than would be required for sterilized supplemented sawdust) would probably be a better choice.

I don't think the oyster-level FAE would be a problem as long as it's also plenty humid.

Maybe use the same fruiting chamber but with coir in bags (no sterilization required)? Or just fruit the cubensis outside the FC - the bag, with some slits, provides a decent environment. :shrug:

We're a bit off-topic for a gourmet cultivation thread.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Phaethon]
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I actually use straw pellets so it could work too, but it's not that relevant anyway since I'm not doing it myself. But good to know that overall I wouldn't have to change much if I wanted to run a batch some time myself.

That's all I need for now, enough for the off-topic then. Thanks for the details!

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: spasm666] * 1
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spasm666 said:
So basically if I wanted I could do cubes along my gourmets, changing nothing in the process except using cube spawn instead of oyster spawn? Same substrate, ssme unicorn bags, same heat treating, same inoculation, same incubation and same FC (dialed for oysters)?


I think it's more that the process is the same for creating the grain spawn but after that it changes.

The substrate for most gourmet varieties is wood chips, pellets or sawdust, while the substrate for cubes is typically something like coir and/or vermiculite or manure.

The ideal temperature for fruiting Oysters and many others is 60-65 degrees while cubes are 70+ and Oysters require much more FAE and humidity.

I grow my Oysters in a tent with a humidifier whereas for cubes you can do it in a tub of some sort.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Allright. Yeah cubes are usually not grown the same way that gourmets. But if I'm doing like 100 pounds of oysters every week and would want to throw in just a few batches of cubes along them with the least extra effort, it would be the easiest to go with the same method and just inoculate with cube spawn. Given that the cubes could tolerate the lower temps, high fae and high humidity. Well yeah, maybe replace the raw materials for the sub.

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: spasm666]
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spasm666 said:
Allright. Yeah cubes are usually not grown the same way that gourmets. But if I'm doing like 100 pounds of oysters every week and would want to throw in just a few batches of cubes along them with the least extra effort, it would be the easiest to go with the same method and just inoculate with cube spawn. Given that the cubes could tolerate the lower temps, high fae and high humidity. Well yeah, maybe replace the raw materials for the sub.


I'm not really sure if cubes will actually fruit at temps in the low 60s... maybe they will. I'm sure they'll like the humidity and FAE but you might want to ask someone that's tried it that way because I definitely haven't and always fruit cubes in the 70s


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I've always used pellets in my gourmet grows but now I'll try some sawdust. Does it need some coarser ingredient for more suitable consistency, or is straight sawdust ok? Water by weight of course, we'll see how much one XLS bag will fit. Cold water is allright I suppose (then steamed).

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: 3.A.M]
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I use big 11L buckets, get awesome results! Also, just so easy. Get flush after flush.

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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Pabu]
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I've been really digging this recipe lately

(makes almost 6lbs/enough for a 3T bag)

525g HWFP
250g woodchips
200g wheat bran
30g gypsum
1700ml water

In a PP5 safe container (I use a 5gal Home Depot bucket), I add the HWFP, woodchips (I pull out any particularly large pieces), bran and gypsum. Bring water to a boil, dump it in, and let it sit for a few hours until it's cool enough to work with. At that time, I don rubber gloves and mix it by hand well, load up the bag(s) and PC for 2.5 hours.


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: mycosispeon]
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I've been waiting on these two Shiitake bags to be ready to put into FC. What do we think? How brown do they have to get? (front and back pic of ea.)



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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: RoscoeReturns] * 1
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RoscoeReturns said:
JW123 said:
I have never grown oysters, I'm the only one in my family that likes them. I am sure someone else in here will know. I was popping back in to ask about chestnut fruiting strategies. I have three fully colonized blocks, and I think one of them is starting to pin. Any advice would be appreciated.


I wait until I see chestnut pins in the bag. Then I cut the bag off at sub level and toss in the tent. Once they pin I’ve always gotten a good cluster, but getting them to pin is hit or miss for me. Could be a week after colonization, could be a month. They always pin eventually, and will pin on agar plates pretty reliably, but they have their own timeframe.


For my first flush what I did was I waited 17 days for the bag to be fully colonized and primordia to just begin forming. Then I cut off the bag at sub level like RR said. Only I read that Chestnut like cooler temps (closer to 65°F), so I covered it with an inverted 2.5 gal resealable food storage bag modified with the corners cut off enough to allow me to mist occasionally. Then I keep it close to the window where it's coolest. It's still only around 69° but it's cool enough for Chestnut I guess even though it took another 25 days to harvest


These King Oyster on the other hand must like it cooler because I'm still waiting on the first harvest and they were on the same timeline


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Re: The Gourmet Cultivation Discussion Thread [Re: Mycolorado]
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Hey guys,
I'm just getting ready to make some blocks for Oysters and Reishi.
I've never done this before so I just wanted to ask whether I'm on point or whether I should order in something else for this to yield well.

I see that mycosispeon is mentioning similar ratios, but I have a feeling that I'm missing something.


78% Oak pellets
20% Wheat bran
2% Gypsum

Add the dry weight of that in water.
Mix well and ensure proper field capasity.
Bag.
Sterilise.

Spawn at 1:10.


I'm a bit lost on this side of the playground :confused:


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