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Grain bags sucked in water. WTF??
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The grain jars turned out perfect, but it appears that the grain bags sucked in water either through the top or through the filter patch. The top two pictures show how I had everything loaded in the PC. Should I have folded the bags with the patch inward? The bottom picture shows how much water was sucked into the bags, because before I started, the grains were dry on the outside.


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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: Southbound Myco]
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I don't work with bags, only with jars, but i think i remember to have seen a video where they say, that the patch needs to be covered, so folded inward.

Due to the pressure from the outside, the steam gets pushed into the bag. but that's just my interpretation

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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: ContactUFO]
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Bags always burst with water, set it aside and roll it different side every few hours, hopefully the grain will absorb it up, otherwise you might as well try it again and throw it.


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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: vicepope]
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Let it sit for a day and see how much moisture is re-absorbed.  IME they always look wetter right after you pull them out of the PC.  In general, bagged grain needs to be a little drier when it goes in than jarred grains do so that might also be a contributing factor.

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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: ContactUFO]
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ContactUFO said:
I don't work with bags, only with jars, but i think i remember to have seen a video where they say, that the patch needs to be covered, so folded inward.

Due to the pressure from the outside, the steam gets pushed into the bag. but that's just my interpretation



Do you use bags to make bulk substrate or do you just do bucket tek w/coir? I was experimenting with the bags, because I am about to grow some oysters and lions mane that I have on agar at the moment. I need to figure this out before i bag up my pellets and aspen. I don’t want to soak the substrate by fucking the bags up.


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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: PBJ710]
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PBJ710 said:
Let it sit for a day and see how much moisture is re-absorbed.  IME they always look wetter right after you pull them out of the PC.  In general, bagged grain needs to be a little drier when it goes in than jarred grains do so that might also be a contributing factor.



Thanks for the advice. I will let them sit for a while and check it out. One thing that did not go as I expected; the bags did not actually seal in the PC like I thought they would. The plastic bags are 6 mil. They do look vacuumed, but if i were to pull the opening, they would open right up. I may have misunderstood the instructions that I read and the videos i watched, but I am pretty sure other people’s bags completely vacuumed and sealed shut in the PC. Do you know what I mean?


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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: Southbound Myco]
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No, mine do the same, they are closed and nothing is getting in, but they can be opened easily


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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: fnulnu]
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u prolly ran ur pc fire to high :shrug:


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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: tripdawg420]
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tripdawg420 said:
u prolly ran ur pc fire to high :shrug:



I’m curious how you mean. Would you mind elaborating a little bit more? I ran 15 PSI for an hour and 45 minutes.


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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: Southbound Myco]
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ya 45 mins aint enought for grains 90 120 mins but ya when u run ur pc u prolly have the fire up to high makeing ur pc fill up w exess moistior steam but idk that happens to me when i run it to high:shrug:


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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: tripdawg420]
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It's better to fold the bags with the filter covered. Don't wrap it around the whole bag like that.
Fold the flap in half covering the filter, then fold in half again. You can put plate on top to keep everything in place.
Shit, you can even use masking tape to keep it down if that makes you nervous.

Once you hit pressure you don't need your stove cranked
full blast anymore. You can turn the heat way lower (medium, medium low)
and maintain pressure. It's easier if you attach a couple of quarters to
the jiggler for extra weight.

Go at least 2 hours.


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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: Southbound Myco]
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sounds like you're not ready for bags tbh, get jars down and think about doing bags in a year or so. relatively new + scaling to spawn bags = growing nothing but mold.


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Edited by phenyl (05/31/24 10:08 AM)

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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: phenyl]
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Hi Southbound. I use bags and I’m new. They are a bit tricky

My bags look exactly like yours when I pull them out of the PC. That wet is normal in my experience. Here’s the tricky part…

Avoid opening them. They are sterile and sealed nicely. I pull the bags out of the PC in front of the flow hood after it has cooled and then immediately seal the bag. Immediately.  No opening the bag first. I put on three seals as there is water at the edge. Don’t open and wipe — just seal. The tricky part is over. You could probably shortcut here but this what I’ve found that works

Once sealed you can stretch the bag, suck in some air through the filter and shake it up. The excess water gets absorbed by your grain assuming you put wet-on-the-inside-dry-on-the-outside (properly hydrated) grain in the bag

That’s it. Is it worth it? Shrug — works for me

With jars, you just tighten the lid before you remove the foil. And, you can do it immediately after opening the PC. Sealed and done


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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: tripdawg420]
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tripdawg420 said:
ya 45 mins aint enought for grains 90 120 mins but ya when u run ur pc u prolly have the fire up to high makeing ur pc fill up w exess moistior steam but idk that happens to me when i run it to high:shrug:



Gotcha, thank you. But, i ran them for an hour and forty five. I get what you are sayin though.


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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: AzureCultivator]
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AzureCultivator said:
Hi Southbound. I use bags and I’m new. They are a bit tricky

My bags look exactly like yours when I pull them out of the PC. That wet is normal in my experience. Here’s the tricky part…

Avoid opening them. They are sterile and sealed nicely. I pull the bags out of the PC in front of the flow hood after it has cooled and then immediately seal the bag. Immediately.  No opening the bag first. I put on three seals as there is water at the edge. Don’t open and wipe — just seal. The tricky part is over. You could probably shortcut here but this what I’ve found that works

Once sealed you can stretch the bag, suck in some air through the filter and shake it up. The excess water gets absorbed by your grain assuming you put wet-on-the-inside-dry-on-the-outside (properly hydrated) grain in the bag

That’s it. Is it worth it? Shrug — works for me

With jars, you just tighten the lid before you remove the foil. And, you can do it immediately after opening the PC. Sealed and done



When i got home from work, the excess moisture was basically absorbed. I was freaking out over nothing. I hadn’t opened the ends of the bags, so I used the impulse sealer on them 3 times like you said. I just put SHIPs on and inoculated them. Thank you for the help.



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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: phenyl]
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phenyl said:
sounds like you're not ready for bags tbh, get jars down and think about doing bags in a year or so. relatively new + scaling to spawn bags = growing nothing but mold.



When I am done with these, I will show you the pictures of my success.This shit is not rocket science.


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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: Asura]
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Asura said:
It's better to fold the bags with the filter covered. Don't wrap it around the whole bag like that.
Fold the flap in half covering the filter, then fold in half again. You can put plate on top to keep everything in place.
Shit, you can even use masking tape to keep it down if that makes you nervous.

Once you hit pressure you don't need your stove cranked
full blast anymore. You can turn the heat way lower (medium, medium low)
and maintain pressure. It's easier if you attach a couple of quarters to
the jiggler for extra weight.

Go at least 2 hours.




I put some magnets on it.

Anything lower than Medium and it starts to lose pressure.


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Re: Grain bags sucked in water. WTF?? [Re: Southbound Myco]
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Southbound Myco said:
Thanks for the advice. I will let them sit for a while and check it out. One thing that did not go as I expected; the bags did not actually seal in the PC like I thought they would. The plastic bags are 6 mil. They do look vacuumed, but if i were to pull the opening, they would open right up. I may have misunderstood the instructions that I read and the videos i watched, but I am pretty sure other people’s bags completely vacuumed and sealed shut in the PC. Do you know what I mean?



Yeah, the self seal can be rather weak with super thick bags like that.  The  2ml bags do a much better job of sticking to themselves, but I've alway run presealed bags to avoid any issues like that.  The longer you let them set undisturbed, the better they will form a brick and resist self opening, but it's not foolproof.

FWIW, I've always wrapped my bags with the filter facing outward on the bag.

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