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Re: Living Off the Grid - Stage 1: Project Conception/Ideas [Re: trendal]
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I just saw and read this thread.  It's my absolute dream to have a house that is self sufficient from the government and economy.  I'm still far away from that in my life, but I wish everyone who is going to do this good luck!  :heart:

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Re: Living Off the Grid - Stage 1: Project Conception/Ideas [Re: MOTH]
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I think my lighting contibution is awesome.
good work funky

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Re: Living Off the Grid - Stage 1: Project Conception/Ideas [Re: trendal]
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I've also been reading stuff about breeding chlorella (common green pond algae). Promising stuff, supposedly could hold the answer to world hunger... HEAVY reading if you get into using it as a water purifier, ETC, but as a food supplement it could be grown pretty easily...

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Re: Living Off the Grid - Stage 1: Project Conception/Ideas [Re: Evolving]
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Evolving said:
poke smot! said:
... you use water to power your house then you can sell electricity back to the power company.



Can you please elaborate on what you mean by 'use water to power your house'?



Probably the same thing we're looking at as a main source of electricity: a stream or spring on a hill. Some pipes and a simple turbine...and you have your own hydroelectric plant :wink:


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Edited by paradis (08/28/04 06:12 AM)

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Re: Living Off the Grid - Project Conception/Ideas [Re: Anonymous]
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Sounds good. Did you also calculate how much the technical side would cost and how many years it would take to return the investment?

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Re: Living Off the Grid - Project Conception/Ideas [Re: Anonymous]
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Why spend any money at all on the house? Look into "cob houses"!


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
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Re: Living Off the Grid - Project Conception/Ideas [Re: trendal]
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Cob is pretty cool material... but adobe caught my eye, especially rammed earth... How much cheaper can you get than that??... and I read about using opuntia pulp as an adobe stabalizer.. thats the epitome of living off the land.

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Re: Living Off the Grid - Project Conception/Ideas [Re: Anonymous]
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Cob houses are quite strong. The walls are a foot or two thick at the base. There are cob houses in England from the 1500's that are still lived in today.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
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Re: Living Off the Grid - Project Conception/Ideas [Re: Anonymous]
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Most places still do not have any building codes about cob houses, though a few states/provinces do. British Columbia does, which is good because that's where I'm planing to live :smirk:

I'm sure you can get them insured if they have been inspected and OK'd by the building inspector.


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Once, men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free.
But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.

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Re: Living Off the Grid - Project Conception/Ideas [Re: trendal]
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This site intrigues me.. if this actually works then I think the plans should be distributed for free - http://www.fuellesspower.com .. but they are pretty cheap, and if they didn't work, people would find out quick.

wait I have more

http://website.lineone.net/~aarekhu/index.html

http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm

http://users.erols.com/iri/


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Re: Living Off the Grid - Stage 1: Project Conception/Ideas [Re: trendal]
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The only problem I have with wood heating is the possible environmental impact (I know it will be small...) involved with burning anything. I'm also confident that I could come up with a much more efficient way of producing heat with electricity and passive solar heating.




For the pollution aspect, I think masonry stoves, made from either brick, stone, or cob, are efficient, reduce overall pollution due to their design, and are extremely pleasant to have in a structure (radiant heat feels soooo nice).

They don't pollute as much because after you get the inner mass warmed up (to about 1200 F.), very little CO escapes from your wood fuel without becoming further oxidized. The walls on masonry stoves are extremely thick, which means you build one large fire during the evening (and morning in the winter) and the heat slowly leaches out through the walls throughout the day. Do a search for masonry stoves on the net to get a better explanation than I'm doing here.

As for the structure itself, whatever's in it I'd advise making it out of either cob (which enjoys a bit more popularity in Canada due to the fact that there are less bureacratic crackheads in Canada than in the states) or strawbale, both of which hold the temperature of a structure constant much better than 'modern' framing and design. This is going to help you out when it comes to overall energy consumption in your structure.

Here's an example of cob (I built my dog's house out of it):

-nearly completed-



-roof in place-



-complete-



This stuff is easy to work with because you can sculpt it. And if you have enough rubber or waterproofing materials(I used a waterbed mattress cut in half to shield the roof from moisture there on the dogs house), the upside is you can make a single story with a flat or only slightly slanted roof covered with sod or even a small garden. This helps with temperature retention even more. Be sure to install radon detectors in any such structure due to the lack of massive air circulation you'd have in a 'normal' house that kicks you in the balls in the heating dept every month. Radon sucks.


Ok, that's all I have.


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Re: Living Off the Grid - Project Conception/Ideas [Re: Shroomism]
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Tesla pantented a number of magnet-run dynamos for producing power...

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Re: Living Off the Grid - Project Conception/Ideas [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
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your dogs house would have been even cooler if you'd have bade it a cob-igloo.


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Re: Living Off the Grid - Project Conception/Ideas [Re: trendal]
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Yeah, I researched it and decided I am in fact gonna build a cob house. My newest idea is for hydroelectric power generation:

there would be a series of hydroelectric generators. Water would fall by gravity through the generators in the series, creating power. A pump would pump the water back to the top so you could get it so there was a continuous flow of water and power being generated.

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Re: Living Off the Grid - Project Conception/Ideas [Re: Anonymous]
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What you're talking about is a perpetual motion machine...which is impossible, the ammount of energy it would take to pump the water would be more than that generated by the water itself.


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