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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: hamloaf]
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hamloaf said:
Thanks. I am going to read through your build.  I figured this thing would have to be modified, I just do not know to what extent exactly.



Great! I just unfucked that thread's photos and updated with results from my baeocystis grow.

You can find it here.

Actually SupaThaRipper has a similar commercial fridge to what you're picking up.  I'm suggesting that he just build a fogger tote in the bottom of the fridge, and pipe it up to the top, just let the humidified air drift down over the subs. No drilling or modification to your fridge needed, you don't have a separate freezer portion like I do. Just get an inkbird temp controller and use it to set your fridge target temp. I use cycle timers for my fogger, and just leave the circulation fan running constantly. It's a waterproof 12v fan.

In my experience, you don't really need FAE increase beyond opening the door every day or two. Workman and I speculated about this years ago. It holds true at least for baeocystis (and mislabelled cubes lol).

If you decide to pipe in warm air from the room, it just seems to overwhelm the refrigeration.

Holofractal's indoor woodlover experiements shows an alternative method utilizing tubs inside the fridge, but I didn't want to run an air pump inside the humidified fridge, for the likely corrosion it would cause inside.

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: 3.A.M] * 1
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And I know I posted these before but I’m doing it again cos they’re rocking my world, I’ve now thrown out or given away most of my jars in favour of these small bags

I’ve been testing them out more with no prep millet and finding a good balance with 700-750ml grain to 300-350ml water which is almost double what I was getting in a 1ltr jar, except I can fit 9 bags in my pc instead of 7 jars, so far I’ve used some of the bags 3-4 times and they’re still going strong, if I pre prepped the grain I could probably fit 12-13 per cycle if I wanted.
In a lazy day I can pop through 3 cycles of 27 bags, split a plate between 3 bags which is actually more than my average large bags per tub and they colonise almost twice as quick, I’ve actually had to pull everything right back because my production levels are getting out of hand and I’ve run out of space.
I have found I’ve needed to put a couple layers of micropore over the filter as the grains closer to the top were drying out and not colonising and you really need to clear out the bottom gussets after inoculation to mix the wetter clumps of grain through the bag to avoid bacteria but that’s it, little sods have changed my life!

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: Phaethon] * 2
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Phaethon said:
MrJong said:
riseupandfight said:
$4 wire mesh food cover at dollar store. I picked up two of them, they work great as strainers for grain prep and are much larger than most strainers amd for 1/3-1/4 the price.




This. So fuckin much. If you intend to do any amount of grain beyond a single jar at a time, get a large strainer. It's such a pain in the ass having to cycle 80 times through a small ass one.



I have a large strainer, and I like it, but I like my much cheaper 5 gallon paint strainer bag even more. It saves so much time - I put the grain in the bag before rinsing, it stays in the bag through boiling and draining, and draining is just throwing the bag in the sink and occasionally agitating and flipping the bag. I even spill less grain on the counter when scooping from the bag to fill jars.

Get some paint strainer bags, I doubt you'll go back to any kitchen strainer.



Or, if you have the space, you can just make one yourself for only a few bucks.

You can even choose the size adapted to your sink or bath tub.

4 woodsticks and a net made from alloy against flies. 10 minutes work with a wood stapler and you're done

Nice thing about this is, you can spread the grains evenly out and just shake it every 10 minutes. After 30 minutes, the grain is perfect. Dry outside, moisturized inside. At least for my Rye it works perfectly.



Edited by ContactUFO (04/27/24 03:26 AM)

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: ContactUFO] * 2
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I'm sure that gets the grain dry faster than a kitchen strainer, or a mesh bag for that matter.

But the whole appeal of the paint strainer bag (or a proper brewer's bag, they work the same way) is that the grains are enclosed in the mesh bag throughout the entire process. There are never loose grains until I scoop them out of the bag and into a jar. (To 3.A.M's question, I boil grains in the bag, with a trivet on the base of the pot. I just use the pressure cooker as a big pot. I don't stretch the bag over the rim of the pot; I just close it off with a rubber band or a binder clip and let it sit in the pot.)

Works for no-boil millet prep too - grain in bag, bag in bucket with water, soak for 18 hours, bag in sink till dry enough, load into jars.

It doesn't dry as quickly as a single layer spread out on a screen, but that's partially mitigated by how easy it is to agitate the grains and even flip the whole thing over to get different grains exposed to air. I think it's at least as fast as the kitchen strainers I've used. And (for me, at least) it's a hell of a lot less messy. And it just goes in the sink, so I don't need to clear a big area to dry grains. (Granted that I could make a screen fit to the dimensions of the sink, but I doubt I could fit 10 mycoquarts of grain that way without multiple layers and making a mess. I find it really hard not to get grain everywhere when transferring it. Unfortunately this is also a problem with g2g and spawning to shoeboxes. :rofl:)

It probably helps that I like to prepare my grain a little al dente and load it slightly damp into jars. I usually only leave the bag in the sink for 45 minutes, agitating and flipping every 15 minutes or so.

Even the scooping is easier and less messy, since it can basically happen in the bag, too. And for the last scoop, I just lift the bag so it all falls to the bottom, cup it with one hand (under the bag), put the measuring cup upside down over the grains (inside the bag), and flip it.

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: 3.A.M]
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3.A.M said:
I just spray a paper towel with iso then wipe down any plates with writing, sharpie only comes off when you spray it directly.



I tried to take off some writing on a plate with iso, but no matter the rubbing it just wouldn't even touch it. I think the sharpie ends up literally burning itself into the plastic after a while. Probably the xylene or whatever solvents they have in there combining with the plastic

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: Phaethon]
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Phaethon said:
it's a hell of a lot less messy. And it just goes in the sink, so I don't need to clear a big area to dry grains.



Yeah, it can get messy with the screen i've made. Maybe gotta try out one of these bags you're mentioning. Always room for improvement :laugh:

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: riseupandfight]
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riseupandfight said:
I'm curious what type of pens ya'll use to label plates and jars. I spray the shit out of everything before it enters my flowhood and a lot of times it causes my sharpie ink to bleed.

Anybody have a solution for this? I've tried postage labels, same thing. I was considering using clear tape over my writing.



For label tape, I use autoclave indicator tape. Everything that goes into the PC gets a strip to help me remember what has been processed, and its surface is also good for writing. There is always a roll around so I use it for things that don't get PCd too, like petri dishes with live cultures.

For ink I found something weird that works great. I like fountain pens and I happened to find that a fine point fountain pen inked with Platinum Carbon Black makes an indelible mark on that masking tape. It survives PC cycles and alcohol sprays. It is a very durable ink, though it will take a few moments to dry fully.

There are a lot of cheap fountain pens on Amazon, you do not need anything fancy, but if the pen comes with a cartridge instead of a filling mechanism, you will need to fill the cart with ink yourself via a syringe.

"Carbon Black" ink by Platinum. (I think this is a pigmented ink which is why it is so durable.)
https://www.amazon.com/Platinum-carbon-bottle-black-japan/dp/B0028MTSFQ?th=1

Recommended cheap pen: the "Preppy" also by Platinum, Fine point (Just dump out the ink in the provided cartridge. Choose an Extra Fine if you prefer writing a lot of fine print on your labels.)
https://www.amazon.com/Platinum-Fountain-Preppy-Black-1716012-0/dp/B074TCRL1S

The Preppy is a good pen because despite being cheap it writes well and has a very good cap seal so it does not dry out quickly. (If it does dry out, it can be cleaned out and rejuvenated.)


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Edited by Yuggoth (04/27/24 03:40 AM)

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: ContactUFO]
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ContactUFO said:
Phaethon said:
it's a hell of a lot less messy. And it just goes in the sink, so I don't need to clear a big area to dry grains.



Yeah, it can get messy with the screen i've made. Maybe gotta try out one of these bags you're mentioning. Always room for improvement :laugh:



Man, that whole post really could have been those two sentences you quoted... Sorry for the novel, everybody. Not sure why I'm so passionate about a $1.50 bag. 🤪

MrJong, 90% or 99% isopropyl if you can get it should take off well-cured Sharpie. Acetone too, though I hate the smell of that stuff.

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: Phaethon]
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1.50 a bag wtf alibaba my dude, 1000 box order of xl bags any size mirco 5 to .2
140 bucks plus 80 for shipping. Anyway I found and old screen replacement for doors that if folded to block off in a laundry sink is best for grain. Especially big bacths.


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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8553541

Beware the power of one.  The power of two. The power of many.

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade. [Re: vicepope]
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8553541

Beware the power of one.  The power of two. The power of many.

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: wavyedge]
    #28751507 -

wavyedge said:
hamloaf said:
Thanks. I am going to read through your build.  I figured this thing would have to be modified, I just do not know to what extent exactly.



Great! I just unfucked that thread's photos and updated with results from my baeocystis grow.

You can find it here.

Actually SupaThaRipper has a similar commercial fridge to what you're picking up.  I'm suggesting that he just build a fogger tote in the bottom of the fridge, and pipe it up to the top, just let the humidified air drift down over the subs. No drilling or modification to your fridge needed, you don't have a separate freezer portion like I do. Just get an inkbird temp controller and use it to set your fridge target temp. I use cycle timers for my fogger, and just leave the circulation fan running constantly. It's a waterproof 12v fan.

In my experience, you don't really need FAE increase beyond opening the door every day or two. Workman and I speculated about this years ago. It holds true at least for baeocystis (and mislabelled cubes lol).

If you decide to pipe in warm air from the room, it just seems to overwhelm the refrigeration.

Holofractal's indoor woodlover experiements shows an alternative method utilizing tubs inside the fridge, but I didn't want to run an air pump inside the humidified fridge, for the likely corrosion it would cause inside.



Would prefer not to drill holes in it so the tidbit about putting the fogger inside of the fridge is appreciated.  Looks like there is a little bit of reading to do before settling on exactly what modifications to make to the fridge.  Not in any sort of rush though.  You and the others pioneering work on this project is also appreciated.


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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: hamloaf] * 1
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hamloaf said:
Would prefer not to drill holes in it so the tidbit about putting the fogger inside of the fridge is appreciated.  Looks like there is a little bit of reading to do before settling on exactly what modifications to make to the fridge.  Not in any sort of rush though.  You and the others pioneering work on this project is also appreciated.



My fridge has been a lot of tinkering, and it's still somewhat difficult to balance. But honestly if I can pull off what I have, it's within the reach of everybody who has enough persistence.

I will say it's essential to have a way to measure conditions over time. I use some custom sensors but there are cheap, off the shelf options.

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: vicepope]
    #28751877 -

vicepope said:
1.50 a bag wtf alibaba my dude, 1000 box order of xl bags any size mirco 5 to .2
140 bucks plus 80 for shipping. Anyway I found and old screen replacement for doors that if folded to block off in a laundry sink is best for grain. Especially big bacths.



I wasn't talking about spawn or grow bags. I explained in detail why I like mesh bags for grain prep, and a screen covering a drain hole really doesn't compare. I can see how it could be useful if a 5 gallon bag isn't enough to hold all the grain you're preparing.

Edit: remove flame. Sorry, I am grumpy.

Edited by Phaethon (04/27/24 01:42 PM)

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: Phaethon] * 1
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Phaethon said:
vicepope said:
1.50 a bag wtf alibaba my dude, 1000 box order of xl bags any size mirco 5 to .2
140 bucks plus 80 for shipping. Anyway I found and old screen replacement for doors that if folded to block off in a laundry sink is best for grain. Especially big bacths.



I wasn't talking about spawn or grow bags. :rolleyes: I explained in detail why I like mesh bags for grain prep, and a screen covering a drain hole really doesn't compare.

Yeah, you might need to fill an entire sink if a 5 gallon bag isn't sufficient for your grain volume. But that doesn't apply to many here, and I'm tiring of reading your posts that often seem to be designed to brag about your (past?) grow operation size or belittle people who are actually doing this at hobby scale.



I'm sorry I didn't mean harm. I don't try bragging. I've had the same screen for many years .
I use te laundry sink cause I'm dirty as hell and not cleaning it like my dish sink.
I keep the jars next to the sink out of m being lazy and cheap.
I use actives as my hobby growing , helps with my seizures and cluster headaches. I don't run more then 50 qts of spawn at a time.  I'm very sorry I don't want to upset people or make them feel down. I will try to do better. If I fail at this people point it out to me.


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The better guide to grow mushrooms.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8553541

Beware the power of one.  The power of two. The power of many.

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: wavyedge] * 1
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wavyedge said:
hamloaf said:
Would prefer not to drill holes in it so the tidbit about putting the fogger inside of the fridge is appreciated.  Looks like there is a little bit of reading to do before settling on exactly what modifications to make to the fridge.  Not in any sort of rush though.  You and the others pioneering work on this project is also appreciated.



My fridge has been a lot of tinkering, and it's still somewhat difficult to balance. But honestly if I can pull off what I have, it's within the reach of everybody who has enough persistence.

I will say it's essential to have a way to measure conditions over time. I use some custom sensors but there are cheap, off the shelf options.



Awesome man.  Yes, it being essential to monitor your conditions is something I have already gathered.  Let me do some reading up on all the links and grow logs, and I will get back to you about the sensors and how and where to source them along with any questions that may arise.  Appreciate it.


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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: vicepope]
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vicepope said:
I'm sorry I didn't mean harm. I don't try bragging. I've had the same screen for many years .
I use te laundry sink cause I'm dirty as hell and not cleaning it like my dish sink.
I keep the jars next to the sink out of m being lazy and cheap.
I use actives as my hobby growing , helps with my seizures and cluster headaches. I don't run more then 50 qts of spawn at a time.  I'm very sorry I don't want to upset people or make them feel down. I will try to do better. If I fail at this people point it out to me.



Yeah, sorry for the outburst and that you saw it before I tried to correct it.

If I had a laundry sink conveniently located to where I cook grain, I might even try that. Though I would probably get grain into the laundry that inevitably finds its way onto the floor. :facepalm:

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: Phaethon] * 3
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Glass Petri dishes, and a product called clean smart. It's apparently used in hospitals. Active ingredient hypochloric acid. You don't need to rinse it away it kills shit and then degrades into saline.

Also some wonky looking malabars that I guess I harvested too early. They were basically already detached from the cake and didn't have any spores. One of the Caps was very deformed.


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Gypsum useless?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28787663/vc/1

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: 3.A.M] * 1
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3.A.M said:
I just spray a paper towel with iso then wipe down any plates with writing, sharpie only comes off when you spray it directly.
Anyone know if you can boil the grains in the brewers bag?



Thanks that’s good to know!

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: 3.A.M]
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3.A.M said:
And I know I posted these before but I’m doing it again cos they’re rocking my world, I’ve now thrown out or given away most of my jars in favour of these small bags

I’ve been testing them out more with no prep millet and finding a good balance with 700-750ml grain to 300-350ml water which is almost double what I was getting in a 1ltr jar, except I can fit 9 bags in my pc instead of 7 jars, so far I’ve used some of the bags 3-4 times and they’re still going strong, if I pre prepped the grain I could probably fit 12-13 per cycle if I wanted.
In a lazy day I can pop through 3 cycles of 27 bags, split a plate between 3 bags which is actually more than my average large bags per tub and they colonise almost twice as quick, I’ve actually had to pull everything right back because my production levels are getting out of hand and I’ve run out of space.
I have found I’ve needed to put a couple layers of micropore over the filter as the grains closer to the top were drying out and not colonising and you really need to clear out the bottom gussets after inoculation to mix the wetter clumps of grain through the bag to avoid bacteria but that’s it, little sods have changed my life!



I remember seeing your first post about these - glad they're still working out!

Do you know their dimensions? Smallest I can find that Unicorn makes is 4x3x18 inches.

I've been on the fence about spawn bags for a while. If they're reliably reusable, that alleviates my main concern. And I like the idea of smaller bags - besides faster colonization, I usually do shoeboxes and Lipa tek sawdust bags, using one mycoquart for either one. Being able to just dump out a full jar is nice.

I'm a little surprised you have to micropore the filter. Is it coarser than 0.2 micron or just large area given the bag size?

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Re: Post Your New Tools Of The Trade 🧪⚫🔬 [Re: Phaethon] * 2
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I only know when flat they’re 3 x 13.5 inches, didn’t have the measurements on the site, I just assumed they were the same large bags i’d ordered all the previous times.
The filter being so large for such a small volume of grain and also sitting level with the grain would be the main reason for drying out I guess, it’s no issue putting on an extra layer when I know I’ll be using them again, no idea how many micron though, ebay :shrug:
Definitely experiment with your grain to water ratios though as they most likely won’t replicate my results, all I know now is jars can suck it!

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