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InvisibleSwami
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Is it cynical...?
    #2801661 - 06/17/04 09:50 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

That word "cynic" is thrown around alot when it comes to my posts. That is not the way I see it, but I am willing to listen.

Not to get political, but was I a cynic when I stated at the outbreak of the Iraqi War that Halliburton (Cheney's old company for which he allegedly has no more ties) would get the lion's share of the rebuilding contracts evcen before the bidding began?

Was I a cynic when I stated flatly that no WMD would be found?

Am I a cynic when I call John Edwards a fraud? When I call televangelists frauds?

When I say that astrology has no basis?

When I say that crop circles are made by men?

When I tell you that The Easter Bunny is a myth?

Since when is the truth, cynical? Must every contrary post be feather-padded and followed by disclaimers and smiley faces merely to be popular?

Some of you guys act like I must be a Scrooge stealing candy from little children. One CAN live a highly moral life without any belief in the supernatural or any deity. One CAN enjoy life without the back-up plan of a "next life".

*digs fox hole and climbs in*

OK, ready!


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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Swami]
    #2801674 - 06/17/04 09:55 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

You want an honest response? Here goes.

I'm using definition 2 of "cynic" from dictionary.com here:

"A person whose outlook is scornfully and often habitually negative."

It's not WHAT you say, but the way you choose to say it that makes you appear cynical. One can remain objective without being "scornfully and often habitually negative".

But that's just my two cents.

P.S. I know how you feel about using any definition besides the very first one, so I understand if you completely discount and ignore my post...  :rolleyes:


Edited by JacquesCousteau (06/17/04 10:00 AM)


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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Swami]
    #2801676 - 06/17/04 09:56 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

...climbs in foxhole wearing nothing but lavender scented oil.
i think you just proved a negative, swami is not cynical...
and they said it couldn't be done!


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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Swami]
    #2801735 - 06/17/04 10:19 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

you get a suspended sentence

having been right about a lot of things - consider running for office.

but, you know, this is a very linear approach
- no basis for astrology - ha!

oracles are not based, they are suspended -
are there more than 3 dimensions?


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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #2801748 - 06/17/04 10:25 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

"A person whose outlook is scornfully and often habitually negative."

I rarely express my "outlook". I doubt that you could even tell whether or not I am a cheerful fun person or a dried up stick-in-the-mud.

Do I scorn fraudulent people? Yes. Do I scorn erroneous information being passed as factual? Yes. I do loathe the perpetuation of nonsense. I am guilty, your honor.


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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Swami]
    #2801760 - 06/17/04 10:31 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

Hey man, you asked for an opinion and I gave it. Sorry if you don't agree. Have a good one.

P.S. The fact that you don't think you display your outlook simply by posting is a sign of your own lack of awareness of yourself. Whether you mean to convey your outlook at all in your posts is rather irrelevant in light of the fact that you come off as a cynical stick in the mud to me, because unless you have completely mastered your ego (something tells me you haven't...) you have little control over these things. We're all at the mercy of our own brains, whether we want to acknowledge it or not. You don't have 100% control over whether or not your "outlook" is put into your posts.


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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Swami]
    #2801814 - 06/17/04 10:57 AM (13 years, 8 days ago)

harsh to be scorned.

did you look at the compassion thread?

lots of scorning going on there as it gets sorted out.

people keep trying to justify the basis for it
rather than trying to find how they are already hooked up and hanging together.


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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #2802008 - 06/17/04 12:22 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

I consider it highly compassionate to reveal fraud. Perhaps it is better to just smile and let people be fleeced, so that they may better learn the lesson on their own time...


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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Swami]
    #2802009 - 06/17/04 12:23 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

can I say insightful with some pleasure at being incisive too


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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Swami]
    #2802061 - 06/17/04 12:44 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

All the things you stated in your post here are fact. There is nothing cynical about the truth. One word that so often has a negative connotation is "disillusion". It means to remove illusions. If you remove apparent illusions the truth is revealed (or maybe other more complex illusions).nothing negative about it. You may not LIKE the truth, but your opinions will be more informed as a result. To write off all mystical or religious thought, though, is cynical, and it is an error in my opinion. Exposing charlatans is a public service.


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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Swami]
    #2802096 - 06/17/04 01:02 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

Cynic: a faultfinding captious critic; especially : one who believes that human conduct is motivated wholly by self-interest.

Cynical: contemptuously distrustful of human nature and motives. Cynical implies having a sneering disbelief in sincerity or integrity.

Captious: calculated to confuse, entrap, or entangle in argument

*shrug* I try not to judge others, but I would say the above fits you (Swami) fairly well. I don't find this to be bad... I myself could (and often do) wear those shoes.


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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Swami]
    #2802114 - 06/17/04 01:15 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Do I scorn fraudulent people? Yes. Do I scorn erroneous information being passed as factual? Yes. I do loathe the perpetuation of nonsense. I am guilty, your honor.




There's nothing wrong with this. I think you see all things in a very absolute way but i ask you, are all things that absolute ?

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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Seuss]
    #2802136 - 06/17/04 01:25 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

...but I would say the above fits you (Swami) fairly well..

Ah, but Swami and I are NOT the same, though we do share some attributes. Swami is merely a persona or caricature I adopt when posting here. It is neither real nor fake, but a one-dimensional slice of a larger whole.


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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Swami]
    #2802147 - 06/17/04 01:28 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Ah, but Swami and I are NOT the same, though we do share some attributes. Swami is merely a persona or caricature I adopt when posting here. It is neither real nor fake, but a one-dimensional slice of a larger whole.




I had a suspicion it was this way... you Enlightened fool.  :grin: :laugh:

:thumbup:

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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Swami]
    #2802180 - 06/17/04 01:37 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

In shamanism there is a concept that was defined quite well by Carlos Casteneda, but is a concept common to shamanic thought. It is called losing personal history. It involves keeping the facts surrounding yourself a mystery to others, even if lying is required. This gives you a strategic advantage when dealing with others. No one can get a handle on you or know what buttons to push to control you. The illusions you create are used to alter other people's reality concerning you and makes your manipulation of them subtle. To truly apply this it must be applied to yourself in admitting you are as much a mystery to yourself as to others. This removes self limiting thoughts. I practice it myself at all times.


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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2802189 - 06/17/04 01:41 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

Sounds like Swami to me. :grin:

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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Swami]
    #2802456 - 06/17/04 02:54 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

just wondering, is there a reason you choose to use this persona or caricature instead of another one?


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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Swami]
    #2802495 - 06/17/04 03:03 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

My observation:

A cynic in S&P.

A person who believes any libbie crap he hears in PAL.


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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: d33p]
    #2802754 - 06/17/04 05:01 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

i dont think its cynical to believe the truth as you see it nescessarily, like its certainly not cynical to not believe in the easter bunny or to be suspicious of the bush administration.

Rather i think cynicism is when theres a question that hasnt been answerd, where there isnt enough evidence to decide either way, and then you choose disbelief over belief arbitrarily, based on a cynical personality.

Is this worse than the alternative, of choosing belief arbitrarily, based on a gullible personality? probably not.

Also, when a person makes a claim or statement, for example "there is a heaven" a cynical person will explore this from the perspective of 'where/how is this guy profiting from this lie?' whereas another person might explore it from the basis of "could there be something to this?"

cynicism is only bad if it blinds you from real possibilities (its the differance between a screen and a wall) or when it becomes a perpetually negative state akin to pessimism.

Is there a right way to live? a right way to believe? yes, and its whatever works for you. so if your cynicism, or whatever you call it, works for you, than feel free. Just remember that its all about balance. Too much skepticism is as bad as too much belief (gullibility)

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Re: Is it cynical...? [Re: Swami]
    #2803027 - 06/17/04 06:31 PM (13 years, 7 days ago)

THE EASTER BUNNY IS TOO REAL!!!!

Anyway, who cares if you are cynical or not, I'm cynical, someone has too be. otherwise we'd all be in happy la-la land


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