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plastic surgery and evolution
    #4546365 - 08/17/05 12:50 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

In nature if an animal is born with an abnormality it usually proves to be a disadvantage and the animal dies along with it's flaw or it proves to be an advantage and the animal thrives passing it on to it's kids.

This has become known as survival of the fittest and it is natures way of strengthening a certain species and ensuring their survival.

But we as humans have found a way around this safety mechanism. If we are born with bad eye sight for example we can get glasses, contacts, or have laser surgery but this doesn't solve the problem because we will just pass the problem on. In a way we may be dooming ourselves by allowing flawed genes to be passed down.


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Re: plastic surgery and evolution [Re: scribble]
    #4546390 - 08/17/05 01:02 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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scribble said:
But we as humans have found a way around this safety mechanism. If we are born with bad eye sight for example we can get glasses, contacts, or have laser surgery but this doesn't solve the problem because we will just pass the problem on. In a way we may be dooming ourselves by allowing flawed genes to be passed down.




Dooming ourselves to what? Unless we will once again be in a position where we face real threats from predatory animals, and are incapable of applying our technology to circumvent poor seeing capabilities, bad eye sight isn't a problem. The fact that we have applied technology to ensure the survival of members of our species, in fact, benefits our species by maintaining a wider genetic base from which our species can adapt and evolve.

Stephen Hawking would be an example of this.

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Re: plastic surgery and evolution [Re: scribble]
    #4546395 - 08/17/05 01:04 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

sadly yes, ive lived through about 3 incidents where i should have died if not for modern medecine, and honestly im not glad because its done nothing to help people as a species.. or maybe it has, but there are alot of cases where it does not help

like when an infertile white-trash couple has 10 children

or when a retarted man and his regular wife gives birth to 3 retarted children that do nothing but waste the tax payer's money

its somewhat sad these days, and i despise plastic surgery in people just to get a more appealing mate


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Re: plastic surgery and evolution [Re: SerioOria]
    #4546425 - 08/17/05 01:11 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

The effects of actions have far-reaching and complex consequences. Do you know how reality will unfold? :grin:

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Re: plastic surgery and evolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4546453 - 08/17/05 01:19 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

its funny tho, cuz we arent gonna realize our kids are retarded and deformed till after we have them.
like, wtf, that doesnt look like u.


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Re: plastic surgery and evolution [Re: BleaK]
    #4546491 - 08/17/05 01:29 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Ever heard of a sonogram? :smirk:

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Re: plastic surgery and evolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4546520 - 08/17/05 01:42 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Dooming ourselves to what? Unless we will once again be in a position where we face real threats from predatory animals, and are incapable of applying our technology to circumvent poor seeing capabilities, bad eye sight isn't a problem.





Good point I was going to bring that up a little later. But we may be relying on technology a bit to much. But even if we aren't actually being doomed we surely are slowing our progress. If only the strong survived evolution would proceed much quicker.


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Re: plastic surgery and evolution [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4546526 - 08/17/05 01:45 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

scribble said:
But we as humans have found a way around this safety mechanism. If we are born with bad eye sight for example we can get glasses, contacts, or have laser surgery but this doesn't solve the problem because we will just pass the problem on. In a way we may be dooming ourselves by allowing flawed genes to be passed down.




Dooming ourselves to what? Unless we will once again be in a position where we face real threats from predatory animals, and are incapable of applying our technology to circumvent poor seeing capabilities, bad eye sight isn't a problem. The fact that we have applied technology to ensure the survival of members of our species, in fact, benefits our species by maintaining a wider genetic base from which our species can adapt and evolve.

Stephen Hawking would be an example of this.

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Exactly.  When will people realize that we left the African savannah behind a long time ago?


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Re: plastic surgery and evolution [Re: Silversoul]
    #4546554 - 08/17/05 01:58 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Exactly. When will people realize that we left the African savannah behind a long time ago?




Yes maybe MOST OF US did. But progress shouldn't stop or even slow down just because we are content at the moment. We WILL run out of oil SOON and hopefully we will be prepared because we are still in the oil age. I don't doubt we will over come this hurdle but we will come to another after that and another after that.


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Re: plastic surgery and evolution [Re: scribble]
    #4546566 - 08/17/05 02:05 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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[Good point I was going to bring that up a little later. But we may be relying on technology a bit to much. But even if we aren't actually being doomed we surely are slowing our progress. If only the strong survived evolution would proceed much quicker.




What are we progressing towards? And what is your definition of "strong"?

What would evolution proceed much quicker to? In what ways are technology interfering with this?

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Re: plastic surgery and evolution [Re: scribble]
    #4546914 - 08/17/05 04:00 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I think the point about evolutionary survival is that evolution favors those organisms that are most able to adapt to a change in their environment. In other words, 'fittest' is entirely conditional upon the environment. Whereas incredible strength may be the best way to flourish in one set of circumstances, intelligence may be the best in another (or a strong immune system, or camouflage, or being omnivorous, etc.).


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