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69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics)
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69 ron tek help?
I followed the wiki instructions for 69 ron's limonene tek pretty closely, I have several very accurate scales and measures as well as ph strips.

I started with dry cactus skins, powdered them in a vitamix. I added the lime to cactus and mixed, then added distilled water. After mixing it all, tested the ph was above 12.

After an hour or so (longer than the 5 min in the instructions), I added limonene and stirred and let sit for 4+ hours.


After that, I pressed down the french press and poured 200 ish ml of the original limo into a beaker and put vinegar and stirred with a glass rod. extracted the vinegar and repeated this 3 times and evaporated:



I ended up with practically nothing (though the resin smells like overripe apples, not sure if that is correct). I also tested the vinegar after the limonene wash and its ph was still very low (3-4).

I realized maybe I didn't stir enough or let the vinegar-oil mix sit long enough so for the second pull, I added like 50 ml more limo and let sit overnight and then did more vinegar pulls today. When mixing, I actually used a pipette to basically form an emulsion with the vinegar and oil and waited for that to break. Each wash took about 2 hours and this is what you see in the glass pyrex container and though it is still drying, it does not look like it will produce much.



I tested the cactus mix in the french press after this and the ph has dropped to a 10-11, so I was considering adding more lime.

I'm pretty sure I did everything right, can someone help me diagnose what could be wrong?

Thanks!

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: mud1]
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It's been too long for me to be of much help. I had absolutely fantastic results from the 69ron tek and then years later results similar to yours - basically nothing at all. Really puzzling; wish I could figure it out because I need more mescaline in my life. I concluded that the cactus must have been bunk, but I tried from 2-3 different sources that each failed the same way. Hope you figure it out and report back. Keep trying cuz it's definitely worth it.

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: Icon]
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I don't know the tek but is he using regular vinegar or glacial acetic acid? Id guess 12pH from the lime/H2O should be high enough to free the M. (I think it is in CIELO tek) If so it should move into the limonene, maybe your salting liquid isn't acidic enough?

Have you tested your cacti powder before? Maybe you could make a light tea from it, filter through cotton balls (thanks Tregar!) and give it a light testing?

The A/B I'm familiar with uses regular vinegar>NaOH>d-limonene>HCl. The base part hits 13pH and the salting around 6pH if I remember right?

Good luck!


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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: YoshiTrainer]
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FWIW it's incredibly common that many people attempt 69ron's teks and fail.  His teks are notably hard to reproduce even if following each step.  I've seen this dozens of times from mescaline to bufotenine.

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: Typerwritermonky] * 2
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I'm a big fan of this tek. The first time I did it, I ended up with really nice looking crystals. Every time since, I've gotten a mix of dark goo, stuff that looks like bho shatter, and waxy crystals. Mine has a slightly sweet/sour smell too...something like overripe apples I suppose.

I've never actually ph'd anything with this tek tbh. Be patient and stir the mix often. The cactus material will coagulate and stirring helps the limo get what you want out better/faster. The first pulls will usually have more emulsion than later ones when salting, be gentle when washing the solvent with the vinegar. A juice press helps a lot as the material will hold quite a bit of limonene. I press it hard until no more liquid comes out and use a sep funnel to separate the limo from the base water and particulate before salting.

Keep pulling though, I've found that you can pull alks for awhile with this tek. I've been letting my last extract go for months and I'm on like pull #7 and it's still pulling a good amount of alkaloids out...not that it really needs that much time, I'm just being extra patient because I'm not in a hurry.

All that being said, cactus varies quite a bit in potency so YMMV. Aging your cuttings in a dark place for a few months or more will increase the amount you get considerably IME.

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: hummingbird]
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I actually still have the limo/cactus mix sitting around, I plan on leaving it a few days to see if yields improve.

Otherwise to answer some questions, my acid is regular distilled vinegar, ph of 2.5 (tested with strips)

I didn't test the powder at all since the point of my extracting things is to not taste the cactus at all lol

Is the general recommendation to use CIELO?

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: mud1]
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If you have more powder, CIELO is a very fast, rather safe, and seems an efficient way to extract M.


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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: YoshiTrainer]
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Welp for an update:

I just left the limo cactus mix together longer and did one vinegar pull every other day. I also used carbonated water and citric acid for some of the pulls.  I currently have around 1 gram of black goo.


Does any one know if this is normal? Did I not dry it enough?  I'm guessing most of this gram is not going to be mescaline, right?

I will eventually try CIELO tek, but I've heard that can result in more crystals than expected due to an excess of citric acid, is that true?
Also I have heard that the mesc citrate is far less potent than mesc acetate/hcl (which I don't really have access to hcl)

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: mud1] * 1
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diluted hcl is sold as muriatic acid in big box stores, should be able to find some. I only have experience salting out with hcl. Back when I did it, it was like 10 drops of muriatic acid per 100ml, and I think I did 4 pulls of 25ml each, then evaporated. But IIRC the ph had to be within a certain range for it to come out clean. Too much acid, like just an eleventh drop, made it come out dark and gooey; too little and it doesn't pull; just right = off-white crystals. But hummingbird said they never had to pH so idk.

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: Icon]
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The reason I like the 69ron tek is that it's a full spectrum(plus food safe) extract. So to me it's really similar to tea, but easier/more accurate to dose. If you want pure more mesc from that tek, you have to do the MEK wash at the end. 

If I was looking to get just pure mescaline I would probably just do an hcl or maybe sulfate extract. Like Icon said, it's really important to titrate and get the ph just right when doing it that way. You get really pretty pure crystals when you do that correctly.

My first two pulls on the last 69ron extracts looked like the tar you got though. It's definitely active, but not pure mescaline. It could be a a too high of ph thing but I'm not sure tbh. I've never done a citrate version personally but I've also heard/read it's not very potent by weight compared to other mescaline salts.

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: hummingbird]
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I wonder if you could use ice cold acetone to wash that goo or not? You potentially have at least 3 different salts in there.

As for CIELO, an individual named "Cheelin" contributed a step by step, exact measurements, etc. to Loveall's TEK. I believe sulfate or HCl are the strongest versions of M salt? There is a comparison list somewhere that compares the strength of the salts. I think citrate is in the top 5? I also think while citrate may be weaker than HCl, more is produced to compensate. There is a fixed amount of M in your cacti powder. From what I've read, excess citric acid in your end product means overdoing it on CA when salting.

Maybe you could REX that goo in your CIELO run by mixing it in during the basing?


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Low Prep the World! (agar plates)
Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
Drying agar and grains using parchment paper
:leaf:Cleaning your bubble hash bags


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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: YoshiTrainer]
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I'm just wondering if it's worth it to boil the cactus down to a tar? Can anyone with experience state if it's better to drink the tea, try to hold it and then puke or to do the tar comment? I've heard and seen so many conflicting reports about the teks with cactus it's crazy!

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
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YoshiTrainer said:
I wonder if you could use ice cold acetone to wash that goo or not? You potentially have at least 3 different salts in there.

As for CIELO, an individual named "Cheelin" contributed a step by step, exact measurements, etc. to Loveall's TEK. I believe sulfate or HCl are the strongest versions of M salt? There is a comparison list somewhere that compares the strength of the salts. I think citrate is in the top 5? I also think while citrate may be weaker than HCl, more is produced to compensate. There is a fixed amount of M in your cacti powder. From what I've read, excess citric acid in your end product means overdoing it on CA when salting.

Maybe you could REX that goo in your CIELO run by mixing it in during the basing?


Thanks, I'm having trouble finding the specific post, is this thread what you are referring to?
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=96262

And good point about more mesc citrate being made, citric acid is more atoms than HCl so of course it would be heavier in salt form.

I probably won't do any REX since there's a mix of mesc salts so they will dissolve in different solvents, which I don't want to figure out.  Like hummingbird mentioned, I was kind of going for the full spectrum experience anyway.

Mr_Mushrooms said:
I'm just wondering if it's worth it to boil the cactus down to a tar? Can anyone with experience state if it's better to drink the tea, try to hold it and then puke or to do the tar comment? I've heard and seen so many conflicting reports about the teks with cactus it's crazy!


Yeah you can do that and drink the tea.  I did that the first time and it works, and it is pretty simple.  Though the tea I made was the most bitter thing I have tasted in my life.  Apparently nausea is unavoidable because mescaline binds to the same receptors that trigger nausea, so some degree of discomfort is unavoidable

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: mud1] * 1
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mud1 said:Thanks, I'm having trouble finding the specific post, is this thread what you are referring to?
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=96262

And good point about more mesc citrate being made, citric acid is more atoms than HCl so of course it would be heavier in salt form.

I probably won't do any REX since there's a mix of mesc salts so they will dissolve in different solvents, which I don't want to figure out.  Like hummingbird mentioned, I was kind of going for the full spectrum experience anyway.


That thread has a lot of info. I would recommend reading the TEK that was birthed by it, which is an attempt to summarize observations, learnings, and assumptions.

Good luck with San Pedro and CIELO.

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/CIELO

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: mud1]
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does anyone know if this tek helps to reduce the nausea/vomiting with just drinking the cactus tea?

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: Loveall]
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Loveall said:
mud1 said:Thanks, I'm having trouble finding the specific post, is this thread what you are referring to?
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=96262

And good point about more mesc citrate being made, citric acid is more atoms than HCl so of course it would be heavier in salt form.

I probably won't do any REX since there's a mix of mesc salts so they will dissolve in different solvents, which I don't want to figure out.  Like hummingbird mentioned, I was kind of going for the full spectrum experience anyway.


That thread has a lot of info. I would recommend reading the TEK that was birthed by it, which is an attempt to summarize observations, learnings, and assumptions.

Good luck with San Pedro and CIELO.

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/CIELO


Ah thanks for the help!


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Sharkman said:
does anyone know if this tek helps to reduce the nausea/vomiting with just drinking the cactus tea?


It might reduce nausea a bit, but some nausea is unavoidable.  Though different people react differently. I know some people who can eat straight dried shrooms with no nausea at all

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: mud1]
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straight dried shrooms? oh wow... I just don't know. Do they hold their breath the entire time or what? Thanks for the report on nausea

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: Sharkman]
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shrooms tasted gross to me until I grew my own and was able to associate their smell and taste with the brf substrate; then it didn't seem scary or gross anymore. If it were possible to extract the psilocin I'd probably do it and cap it tho

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: Sharkman]
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Sharkman said:
does anyone know if this tek helps to reduce the nausea/vomiting with just drinking the cactus tea?


A gentleman named Tregar makes tea, filters it, reduces it then runs it through a funnel stuffed with cotton balls to remove all the sediment. Supposedly he gets 0 nausea but still a full spectrum experience. Maybe overnight in the fridge would help precipitate the fine sediment?


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Low Prep the World! (grain prep)
Trashcan FC
Acidulated extraction gummies and drops
Drying agar and grains using parchment paper
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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: Icon]
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oh yes totally I've heard that eating shrooms straight dry can make you gag and taste like ass. I'm wondering where that saying came from anyways and if it really does taste like ass? I wouldn't know lol. That's neat how you associate the smell of the freshies though.

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: Sharkman]
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Sharkman said:
straight dried shrooms? oh wow... I just don't know. Do they hold their breath the entire time or what? Thanks for the report on nausea


Yeah I eat them no worries. Taste like woody dirt to me, not awful. Just wash the bits down with water.


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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: Sharkman] * 1
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Cooking the tea for longer and filtering the sediment really well helps a lot with nausea I've heard. Like Yoshi said putting the tea in the fridge will help the fine sediment fall out quicker.

I can't really comment from experience because the only thing that ever consistently gives me nausea is too much alcohol...neither cactus or mushrooms ever really have, but I do filter cactus tea really well before drinking. Everyone's different and some people get stomach issues from cactus...even pure mescaline crystals.

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: Northerner]
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Yeah I eat them no worries. Taste like woody dirt to me, not awful. Just wash the bits down with water


eating dry shrooms is not an entire complete waste IMHO not only does it taste like ass, but some of the bits will pass through your digestive system whole, unused, wasting some of the magic. Just be like a boss and grind them, or use tea extraction. eating dry shrooms by themselves is just lame in my humble opinion.

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: Sharkman] * 2
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Should I do a little ritual too man, maybe wave some joss sticks around?  :llamastare:


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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: Sharkman] * 1
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Sharkman said:
Quote:
Yeah I eat them no worries. Taste like woody dirt to me, not awful. Just wash the bits down with water


eating dry shrooms is not an entire complete waste IMHO not only does it taste like ass, but some of the bits will pass through your digestive system whole, unused, wasting some of the magic. Just be like a boss and grind them, or use tea extraction. eating dry shrooms by themselves is just lame in my humble opinion.


You're not stating your opinion very humbly if you post it three times and think the opposite opinion is lame, gross, not boss-like. I think you're wrong anyway. They objectively don't taste like ass, not sure where you're getting your shrooms from. And I highly doubt you'd lose any magic by eating them whole, that doesn't make any sense. You're just spamming from the look of your profile.

Edited by Icon (08/02/22 03:31 PM)

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Re: 69ron mescaline extraction tek help? (pics) [Re: Icon]
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Icon said:
Sharkman said:
Quote:
Yeah I eat them no worries. Taste like woody dirt to me, not awful. Just wash the bits down with water


eating dry shrooms is not an entire complete waste IMHO not only does it taste like ass, but some of the bits will pass through your digestive system whole, unused, wasting some of the magic. Just be like a boss and grind them, or use tea extraction. eating dry shrooms by themselves is just lame in my humble opinion.


You're not stating your opinion very humbly if you post it three times and think the opposite opinion is lame, gross, not boss-like. I think you're wrong anyway. They objectively don't taste like ass, not sure where you're getting your shrooms from. And I highly doubt you'd lose any magic by eating them whole, that doesn't make any sense. You're just spamming from the look of your profile.


Lol agreed, I have had dried PEs tasted almost like nothing.  Tea is okay, but I think the taste is worse since you're making a weird mushroom broth basically.

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