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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
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RW is listed as a cross on the updated list with the correct parents… kinda easy to miss with all those names lol.. damn that’s a lot of names

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: fahtster]
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I am certain there's some variation in ratios of alkaloids comparing strains of cubensis but that would also depend on more than just genetics.


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Tri]
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Tri-Polar said:
This is rad! I know a cube is a cube as far as consumption goes but for the varieties are really aesthetically pleasing for the grower :biggrin:

My only input is I believe white teacher is GT x PE

Also had never heard of homestead pe before vs the SWPE very interesting

Also DC Mak also has some genetics you might add to this list




Hey! Thank you. Checked it out and it seems to be gt x ape. Made that change. Thanks for the poke in the right direction. Thought it was just a lucy gt

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pastywhyte said:
I agree with the notion that a little too much is going into strain hype. Not saying there is nothing to the different varieties but perhaps some are being oversold. I don’t want to cast shade but I think some of these are less of distinct variants and just a group of one variant that produced a range of phenotypes due to ms. However that’s just my opinion. If people know better please share the reasons why. I’m open to hearing them.

I like how RW is referenced as a parent to a cross on this list but isn’t considered a cross on its own. It was for the record AA+ and Colombian Rust Spore.



I love different strains and variants. It makes collecting and breeding so much fun. I have been updating the wrong post and will update the main list right now. There are definitely lots on that list from the exact same crossing that isolated different phenotypes. The TAM project produced a mass of new strains from the TAT Syn group. Most of the tat x melmak crosses come from that same plate. Appreciate having you and your creations on this thread/list. Any more info you may have is welcomed! Things that aren’t on the list like RW was just meant I hadn’t figured it out yet. Thanks again!

Edited by MycoCakes (12/29/21 09:26 AM)

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: InsultingLizard]
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InsultingLizard said:
Is this just a list or varieties, or something like a genealogical tree derived from comparative genomics? I'm several orders of magnitude more interested in one than the other.



At this point it is a list of different variants and strains along with their parent(s).

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: odissey]
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odissey said:
MycoCakes said:
Authentic PE (Penis Envy) - Amazonian

TAT (True Albino Teacher) - Golden Teacher

Golden Teacher - Wild find (Florida)

Yeti - TAT

Ghost - TAT

TBC (TAT Black Cap) - Ghost

Gandalf - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

MVP - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

AMVP - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Blue Moon - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Blue J - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

JikGan - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

XXX - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

End Game - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

APE - Albino PF x SWPE

SWPE (SporeWorks Penis Envy) - Authentic PE

Homestead PE (Penis Envy) (Melmak OG) - Authentic PE

Melmak TP - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Eyelike - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak
OG)

Pearly Gates - TAT x Homestead PE (Melmak
OG)

Starry Night - APE

AMak - Melmak TP

Normak - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Enigma - B+xPE

Tidalwave - B+ x SWPE

Aurora APE - APE

Omni - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Averys Albino - Golden Teacher

KSC (Koh Samui Classic) - Wild find (Hua Thanon, Koh Samui, Thailand)

KSSS (Koh Samui Super Strain) - KSC

KSSS Squats (Koh Samui Super Strain Squats) - KSSS

KSAT (Koh Samui Albino Teachers) - KSSS Squats x TAT

El Choco - B+

Jack Frost - TAT x APE

Lightwave - AA+ x Tidalwave

Shakti - Malabar

Mr Krinkle - Golden Teacher

Chocolate Krinkle - El Choco x Mr Krinkle

Scylla - Tidalwave x APE

DC Mak - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Albino PF (Albino Psilocybe Finaticus) - PF Classic

MAPE - APE

Chocolate Krinkle Brains - Chocolate Krinkle

PESA (Pacifica Exotica Spora Amazonian) - Amazonian

AA+ (Albino A+) **Not true albino** - A+

Alice - AA+

Roger Rabbit - TAT

Riptide - TAT x Tidalwave

Nutcracker - Yeti

Chodewave - Tidalwave x APE

Albino Chodewave - Chodewave

Chodewave Squats - Chodewave

Stormtripper - Jedi Mind Fuck

Harlequin - TBC

Choda - Melmak TP

N4N - APE

White Teacher - Golden Teacher

Gumby - Melmak TP

Albino Gumby - Gumby

Leucistic Golden Teacher - Golden Teacher

Efroot - Enigma

Omni Ogre Club - Omni

PE6 (Penis Envy #6) - Texas x SWPE

Hawkeye PE (Penis Envy) - Homestead PE (Melmak OG)

Blue Catterpuller PE (Penis Envy) - SWPE

Whyte Gold - RustyWhyte x Golden Halo

PE+ - SWPE x B+

NST - TAT

ACRS (Albino Columbian Rust Spore) - Columbian Rust Spore

Albino KSC (Koh Samui Classic) - KSC

Loaves - Tidalwave x APE


Really cool list! where, in general, can you find these? Does anyone have starry night or knows where to find a swab? Thanks!


I have access to most of that list. Message me on here or on my fb. And i can help connect you with the creator.

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: bigfootscreepyuncl]
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bigfootscreepyuncl said:
ESS is PE x KSSS (I'm not sure which lineage of either varieties were used for the cross, but that's what it is)

Just wanted to add that to the list so I could provide something useful instead of saying  :threadmonitor:




Do you know which PE it comes from or who created it? PE is quite a watered down term with lots of strains under its umbrella. I would love to add it to the list.

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: DERRAYLD]
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DERRAYLD said:
I have a spot for PR in my heart, love them.
Would love to see the blob PR.

Years ago I had a pr isolate that would produce PE like dicks with blue veiled chokers that sent you into a different dimensions.

I'm searching for them again.



The PR blob is rad. It is known to throw a combination of crazy reggy phenos that are weird and blob/fins. Such a cool strain.

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Pastywhyte] * 1
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Pastywhyte said:
I agree with the notion that a little too much is going into strain hype. Not saying there is nothing to the different varieties but perhaps some are being oversold. I don’t want to cast shade but I think some of these are less of distinct variants and just a group of one variant that produced a range of phenotypes due to ms. However that’s just my opinion. If people know better please share the reasons why. I’m open to hearing them.

I like how RW is referenced as a parent to a cross on this list but isn’t considered a cross on its own. It was for the record AA+ and Colombian Rust Spore.




I’m with you on that.

I joined a Facebook group and kept seeing all these varieties I’ve never heard of, I’m talking like 30+ kinds. So I started digging around and as far as I can tell 90% aren’t really anything new.

These guys are mostly just growing for instance ape, cloning a fruit, and then giving it a new name.


There’s a lot of awesome stuff out there but unless you’re getting clone plates there’s a lot of them that are essentially the same spores under 6-7 names.


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: A.k.a] * 4
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Never underestimate peoples ability to come along and ruin a good thing. Now that mushrooms are very popular, people are crashing the fuck out of it in all variety of ways. Now we got people doing live trips on YouTube while playing Minecraft and shit.

Sorry just ranting.


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said:
Pastywhyte said:
I agree with the notion that a little too much is going into strain hype. Not saying there is nothing to the different varieties but perhaps some are being oversold. I don’t want to cast shade but I think some of these are less of distinct variants and just a group of one variant that produced a range of phenotypes due to ms. However that’s just my opinion. If people know better please share the reasons why. I’m open to hearing them.

I like how RW is referenced as a parent to a cross on this list but isn’t considered a cross on its own. It was for the record AA+ and Colombian Rust Spore.




I’m with you on that.

I joined a Facebook group and kept seeing all these varieties I’ve never heard of, I’m talking like 30+ kinds. So I started digging around and as far as I can tell 90% aren’t really anything new.

These guys are mostly just growing for instance ape, cloning a fruit, and then giving it a new name.


There’s a lot of awesome stuff out there but unless you’re getting clone plates there’s a lot of them that are essentially the same spores under 6-7 names.


Heh. I think I saw a guy trying to sell “his cross” of RW x AA+ on there. Layers of silly.


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: A.k.a]
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A.k.a said:
Pastywhyte said:
I agree with the notion that a little too much is going into strain hype. Not saying there is nothing to the different varieties but perhaps some are being oversold. I don’t want to cast shade but I think some of these are less of distinct variants and just a group of one variant that produced a range of phenotypes due to ms. However that’s just my opinion. If people know better please share the reasons why. I’m open to hearing them.

I like how RW is referenced as a parent to a cross on this list but isn’t considered a cross on its own. It was for the record AA+ and Colombian Rust Spore.




I’m with you on that.

I joined a Facebook group and kept seeing all these varieties I’ve never heard of, I’m talking like 30+ kinds. So I started digging around and as far as I can tell 90% aren’t really anything new.

These guys are mostly just growing for instance ape, cloning a fruit, and then giving it a new name.


There’s a lot of awesome stuff out there but unless you’re getting clone plates there’s a lot of them that are essentially the same spores under 6-7 names.




I have found PE has been quite flooded with this. I dont mind listing them. But I think a lot are basically the same with slightly different presentations. TAT has a bunch of weirdo isolations but most are quite identifiable.

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Humbled]
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Humbled said:
I am certain there's some variation in ratios of alkaloids comparing strains of cubensis but that would also depend on more than just genetics.


Anyone feel free to correct me, but to my knowledge there's been very little research on the concentrations of actives in mushrooms beyond rough numbers for distinct species. IIRC fresh P. cubensis (variety unspecified) are about 0.1% by weight psilocybin+psilocin, with all other actives making up an extra 0.01% or so. I'm not aware of any research on variation from individual to individual, or from variety to variety. I'm obviously not counting subjective reports on potency.

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Biskop]
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InsultingLizard said:
Is this just a list or varieties, or something like a genealogical tree derived from comparative genomics? I'm several orders of magnitude more interested in one than the other.


Biskop said:
InsultingLizard said:
Is this just a list or varieties, or something like a genealogical tree derived from comparative genomics? I'm several orders of magnitude more interested in one than the other.


I would love to a Cubensis family tree. Would be interesting af.

OP, I requested to join the group on FB.
Here’s the link if anyone else wants to check it out. I’m keen to see what they’re doing in there.
https://m.facebook.com/groups/177014107690299?group_view_referrer=search


Fuck the zuck but Id definitely like to see a lineage with varieties.

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: InsultingLizard]
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InsultingLizard said:
Humbled said:
I am certain there's some variation in ratios of alkaloids comparing strains of cubensis but that would also depend on more than just genetics.


Anyone feel free to correct me, but to my knowledge there's been very little research on the concentrations of actives in mushrooms beyond rough numbers for distinct species. IIRC fresh P. cubensis (variety unspecified) are about 0.1% by weight psilocybin+psilocin, with all other actives making up an extra 0.01% or so. I'm not aware of any research on variation from individual to individual, or from variety to variety. I'm obviously not counting subjective reports on potency.


Yeah that's completely my own educated guess. Seeing as with Cannabis strains, although they are plants, have quite a bit of variation of levels of psychoactive compounds.

I realize that's a bit like comparing apples to oranges but the genetics would vary as well in both multispore and pollination.


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: MycoCakes] * 1
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The ess cross was done by mudafuka on this forum he has since passed away I don't think he ever elaborated on which PE variety/vendor he used.


People are doing live trips on YouTube playing Minecraft? Bastards stole my bit. I've been eating mushrooms and playing Minecraft and never thought to monetize it. Fuck

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Drboomer]
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I've confident Muda was using SWPE for the ESS, homestead/melmac wasn't around then. I feel bad I wasn't able to make much happen with it. They were some potent bastards and didn't blob so it was generally a success. RIP Muda you were a unique monster of a human :rockon:


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Pastywhyte said:
I've confident Muda was using SWPE for the ESS, homestead/melmac wasn't around then. I feel bad I wasn't able to make much happen with it. They were some potent bastards and didn't blob so it was generally a success. RIP Muda you were a unique monster of a human :rockon:


Our PE expert says that SWPE came from homestead stock.  Got some info on this for me?

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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: MycoCakes]
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Pretty sure homestead was lost for years and then someone found some old spores fairly recently.


I didn’t know muda made ESS, got some pinning right now.


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Re: Genetic Backgrounds [Re: Pastywhyte]
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I've got em in a bottle and on grain. Hoping to do a few decent sized GAW and recirculate ess as much as possible. His bottle tek has been revolutionary for me.

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