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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: koods]
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Koods, Acrolein is a violent irritant yes, but the damage treshold is beneath the irritation treshold, Its a violent irritant but an even more violent cellular disruptor, thats why it was interesting as a war gas, its far more than a mere lacrymator.


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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: koods]
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I think this has been spurred on by the recent spate of people getting sick from using vapes. The article below has some information on that - although it's still uncertain at this time one potential cause could be synthetic vitamin E oil (tocopheryl-acetate), which entered the market in late 2018 as a diluent that wouldn't reduce viscosity.

https://www.leafly.ca/news/health/vape-pen-lung-disease-advice-consumers


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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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80% of the lung injuries were THC cart users.  Only 20% CLAIM to have not used THC carts.

Vit E acetate was used to thicken THC that has been deluted.  An unsafe cutting agent.  Found in blackmarket vape carts.

Seems little to nothing to do with nicotine vaping.  That's just media and Govt hype.


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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
So..

Big Tobacco gave Trump a memo that ecigs either should taste like their product, or they'll cut Trump off and trump went "uh ok."

Tobacco aromas are far more complex than most other aromas and as such, far more likely to lead to health complications.


That would be big tobacco pointing a regulatory shotgun at their own foot.

The top three most profitable vape companies in the US are owned by the same people that own marlboro.

Vitamin E is the most likely culprit, not anything that's coming out of glycerin heating. Vitamin E is non-polar, and lipid pneumonia is a well known and very dangerous side effect of inhaling fats.

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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
So..

Big Tobacco gave Trump a memo that ecigs either should taste like their product, or they'll cut Trump off and trump went "uh ok."

Tobacco aromas are far more complex than most other aromas and as such, far more likely to lead to health complications.


Hilarious anti-Trump spin.  Ill take things that didnt happen for 500, Alex.


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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: meltdowner]
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Trump is is completely subservient to industry. Would not surprise me at all how easily a business executive could corrupt trump with a simple phone call and a night or two at one of his crap hotels


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Edited by koods (09/25/19 09:27 PM)

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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Trump is is completely subservient to industry. Would not surprise me at all how easily a business executive could corrupt trump with a simple phone call and a night or two at one of his crap hotels


Hey, can you make our kids healthier?

Sure, I'm the greatest at that!

No more vape incentives!


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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: Patlal]
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Do you have any evidence that banning vaping would make kids more heathy? We have a national institutes of health that can study the issue. I don’t think the dumbest man to ever occupy the White House is in any position to make that determination because his ditzy wife said something to him at his 2pm breakfast

A man who thinks exercise is dangerous because the human body has a limited amount of life energy shouldnt be opining about anything health related. He’s a fucking moron.

Edited by koods (09/26/19 11:26 AM)

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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: koods]
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It's just the new thing for freaking out about.  80% wasn't even "vapes" but diluted/cut THC.

Not all vaping is at all equal.  It's like banning all food because some bad black market sausage was going around.  Total hysteria.

Of course dumb people (the majority) accepts the media opinion and has done zero research.


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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: Morel Guy]
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Meanwhile tobacco stocks are increasing.  Phillip Morris up over 5%.  A vaper merger no longer a deal.

Follow the money folks!

Vape juice taxes, Chinese vapes, tobacco being a southern industry (GOP).

80% were caused by blackmarket cut THC.


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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: Morel Guy]
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Tinfoil mad-hatter


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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: meltdowner]
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Care to elaborate?


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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: koods]
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I did some research, Trump did announcing wanting to ban vape products but nothing has been done yet to deal with it. A couple states like Washington and Michigan have started a state-wide ban on vape products. But nothing at a federal level.

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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: koods]
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CO2 becomes acidic when you dissolve it in water.

Edit: a bunch of it becomes carbonic acid, rather.  Not sure if that is an important distinction

Edited by ballsalsa (09/30/19 03:32 PM)

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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: ballsalsa]
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O=C=O + H-O-H --> O=C(OH)2


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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: Asante]
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I get regular sales emails from Mig Vapor as I alternate between smoking hash through a dry pipe or a vape.
The email footer has changed recently to include this in the disclaimer.

Quote:
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CALIFORNIA PROPOSITION 65 - WARNING: Mig Vapor products can expose you to 1. chemicals, including nicotine, known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm, and 2. chemicals, including formaldehyde and acetaldehyde, known to the State of California to cause cancer.
WARNING: The products listed on this Mig Vapor site may contain nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. The Mig Vapor products listed on this site are intended for use by persons of legal age (at least 18) or older in your jurisdiction, and not by children, women who are pregnant, or may become pregnant, or any person with an elevated risk of, or preexisting condition of, any medical condition, which includes, but is not limited to, heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure or asthma. If you experience any side effects or possible side effects, stop using the product immediately and consult your physician.
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The latest email said this... about cyanide?!  :eek:
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So many States Banning Vapes it is horrifying, Our love-Vaping, is being murdered.
Because THC carts happen to have cyanide in them. We are all in this shit storm together.
No matter what we say or do, the media is out to destroy us all.


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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: Stable Genius] * 1
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I've seen poor evidence, more over rumor that suggests pg can break down into under heat into formaldehyde.

I think far more shit is in tobacco or cannabis smoke.  The real question is when did people get so health paranoid?  There's all sorts of shit in food, in our water and air.  But damn if someone uses something for recreation.

Society is a bit prude and paranoid.


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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: Morel Guy]
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It can get quite humorous watching people's techniques and advice on what to avoid.

I alternate between a pipe and a vape, but neither of them is any good for the lungs.

Pipe burns too hot and the vape clogs my lungs up.

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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: Stable Genius]
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It's not good to do that but  I do exactly that.

Smoking dries the mucus and vape seems to require mucus.


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Re: Trump announces ban on all non tobacco flavored vaping products [Re: Morel Guy]
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Tobacco products aren’t available to “youth” so I’m confused with this decision..

Just add it to the list of banned shit. Who fuckin cares anymore?


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