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N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons
    #3760676 - 02/10/05 08:42 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons

1 hour, 1 minute ago World - AP Asia

By SANG-HUN CHOE, Associated Press Writer

SEOUL, South Korea - North Korea (news - web sites) on Thursday announced for the first time that it has nuclear arms and rejected moves to restart disarmament talks anytime soon, saying it needs the weapons as protection against an increasingly hostile United States.

The communist state's pronouncement dramatically raised the stakes in the two-year-old nuclear confrontation and posed a grave challenge to President Bush (news - web sites), who started his second term with a vow to end North Korea's nuclear program through six-nation talks.

"We ... have manufactured nukes for self-defense to cope with the Bush administration's ever more undisguised policy to isolate and stifle the (North)," the North Korean Foreign Ministry said in a statement carried by the state-run Korean Central News Agency.

The claim could not be independently verified. North Korea expelled the last U.N. nuclear monitors in late 2002 and has never tested a nuclear bomb, although international officials have long suspected it has one or two nuclear bombs and enough fuel for several more.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) said North Korea should return to disarmament talks and avoid a path toward further international isolation. She said the world "has given them a way out and we hope they will take that way out."

"The North Koreans have been told by the president of the United States that the United States has no intention of attacking or invading North Korea," Rice told a news conference in Luxembourg. "There is a path for the North Koreans that would put them in a more reasonable relationship with the rest of the world."

Previously, North Korea had reportedly told U.S. negotiators in private talks that it had nuclear weapons and might test one of them. The North's U.N. envoy said last year that the country had "weaponized" plutonium from its pool of 8,000 nuclear spent fuel rods. Those rods contained enough plutonium for several bombs.

But Thursday's statement was North Korea's first public acknowledgment that it has nuclear weapons.

North Korea's "nuclear weapons will remain (a) nuclear deterrent for self-defense under any circumstances," the ministry said. It said Washington's alleged attempt to topple the North's regime "compels us to take a measure to bolster its nuclear weapons arsenal in order to protect the ideology, system, freedom and democracy chosen by its people."

Since 2003, the United States, the two Koreas, China, Japan and Russia have held three rounds of talks in Beijing aimed at persuading the North to abandon nuclear weapons development in return for economic and diplomatic rewards. No significant progress has been made.

A fourth round scheduled for last September was canceled when North Korea refused to attend, citing what it called a "hostile" U.S. policy.

South Korea (news - web sites) said Thursday the North's decision to stay away from talks was "seriously regrettable." Foreign Ministry spokesman Lee Kyu-hyung said "we again declare our stance that we will never tolerate North Korea possessing nuclear weapons."

In recent weeks, hopes had risen that North Korea might return to the six-nation talks, especially after Bush refrained from any direct criticism of North Korea when he started his second term last month.

On Thursday, North Korea said it decided not to rejoin such talks any time soon after studying Bush's inaugural and State of the Union speeches and after Rice labeled North Korea one of the "outposts of tyranny."

"We have wanted the six-party talks but we are compelled to suspend our participation in the talks for an indefinite period till we have recognized that there is justification for us to attend the talks and there are ample conditions and atmosphere to expect positive results from the talks," the ministry said.

Still, North Korea said it retained its "principled stand to solve the issue through dialogue and negotiations and its ultimate goal to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula remain unchanged."

Such a comment has widely been interpreted as North Korea's negotiating tactic to get more economic and diplomatic concessions from the United States before joining any crucial talks.

In Vienna, a spokesman for the International Atomic Energy Agency said that "North Korea remains our single highest priority."

"We know they have raw materials to build nuclear weapons. We also know that they have a delivery system and they've expressed their intentions to have a nuclear arsenal," spokesman Mark Gwozdecky said.

In Japan, the top government spokesman said he wanted to confirm the North's intentions.

"They have used this sort of phrasing every so often. They didn't say anything particularly new," Chief Cabinet Secretary Hiroyuki Hosoda told a regular news conference.

For months, North Korea has lashed out at what it calls U.S. attempts to demolish the regime of leader Kim Jong Il and meddle in the human rights situation in the North. Washington has said it wants to resolve the nuclear talks through dialogue.

In his Jan. 20 inaugural speech, Bush vowed that his new administration would not shrink from "the great objective of ending tyranny" around the globe.

In his State of the Union address earlier this month, Bush only mentioned North Korea once, saying Washington was "working closely with governments in Asia to convince North Korea to abandon its nuclear ambitions."

Bush's tone was in stark contrast to three years ago, when he branded North Korea part of an "axis of evil" with Iran and Iraq (news - web sites), raising hopes of a positive response from North Korea.

The nuclear crisis erupted in October 2002 when U.S. officials accused North Korea of running a secret uranium-enrichment program in violation of international treaties. Washington and its allies cut off free fuel oil shipments for the impoverished country under a 1994 deal with the United States.

North Korea retaliated by quitting the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty in early 2003 and restarting its plutonium-based nuclear weapons program, which had been frozen under the 1994 agreement.


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3760679 - 02/10/05 08:45 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Why would N.Korea disarm when the rabid neo-cons obviously have no intention of doing the same?

Perhaps they should lead by example if they really want to get anywhere meaningful on disarmament.


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: GazzBut]
    #3760722 - 02/10/05 09:18 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Are you crazy Gazz?????

The US disrm?????? What you mean the only force between us and global tyranny. The only nation fighting for us all to be free to be ourselves and live how we want to, without being forced into some kind of inane social mould (as long as we wear our jeans up to our ribs that is, and buy into their inane social mould)...The only force that Luke Skywalker would work for?

Please!

North Korea should just bend over and let GWB insert his member. I mean it's the only decent thing to do. Self defence is unnatural, ungodly and evil.

Mind you North Korea already has a thriving democracy that the democrats (not party) of Iraq must be envious of. Go boyz!


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: GazzBut]
    #3760727 - 02/10/05 09:19 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

that's great... any country that just fires missles over Japan for fun probably shouldn't be in posession of nukes...

humanity was fun while it lasted...


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: gsmith]
    #3760733 - 02/10/05 09:25 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Any country that hits Japan with nukes probably shouldn't be in possesion of them....

humanity was fun while it lasted......


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: CJay]
    #3760774 - 02/10/05 09:50 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

agreed...


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3760782 - 02/10/05 09:57 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Not surprised at all.
but I don't see this as America's problem. Sounds like Japan, China, and Russia's problem. People cannot pick and choose which places the US should be involved with. (not directed at anyone). However if they attack S. Korea then it is our problem since we have troops there that should be brought home.


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3760803 - 02/10/05 10:07 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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RandalFlagg said:
Such a comment has widely been interpreted as North Korea's negotiating tactic to get more economic and diplomatic concessions from the United States before joining any crucial talks.





We can't afford to give that madman anything. Jimmy Carter already visited once during the Clinton administration and we gave him a bunch of stuff. Probably funded his nuclear program.

His government will collapse upon itself if we just leave it alone and not feed the beast. I think that Japan, China and especially South Korea should be the ones dealing with that problem.

All this is is a pathetic cash grab.


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: JesusChrist]
    #3760878 - 02/10/05 10:43 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

yeh lets face it....N Korea's nukes, fired from home soil, ain't ever gonna make it to the US anyway.

(But then neither would Saddam's if he had actually possessed any...I suppose good ole US friend Saudi could/would/might possibly have got it tho eh? If it was real that is)


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: CJay]
    #3760896 - 02/10/05 10:48 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Just to claify, if N. Korea bombs the shit out of their neighbors you people on the left are NOT going to blame the US or are we at fault anyways since we invented nukes?


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3760909 - 02/10/05 10:53 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Don't be silly. If North Korea uses nukes, unprovoked, against anyone, then North Korea is to blame.

Now if the US decides to attack N. Korea which then pops off a couple nukes in the region...


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: trendal]
    #3760924 - 02/10/05 10:59 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I would NEVER support a pre-emptive nuclear attack on another country unless fired upon first.

You say don't be silly but there are people out there who would say that we didn't bomb them first because there was no oil there, yadda, yadda, yadda...

edit: general bad grammar.


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3760939 - 02/10/05 11:05 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Well then those people are being silly :wink:


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3760951 - 02/10/05 11:08 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Oh and I wasn't talking about a pre-emptive nuclear strike. Any kind of pre-emptive military action against a state like N. Korea (with a quite wacked-out leader) which has nuclear weapons could provoke that state into USING their nukes in "defense".

I certainly don't think the US will pre-emptively use nukes against another country. Except, maybe, for those bunker-busting mini-nukes the Pentagon is drooling over.


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: trendal]
    #3761010 - 02/10/05 11:27 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

you're going to think hell is freezing over but I agree with you 100%. I don't support ANY kind of action against Korea unless it's actual self-defense.

we've got even smaller nukes that shoot out of 8" howizers. I've seen those.


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3761032 - 02/10/05 11:32 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

we've got even smaller nukes that shoot out of 8" howizers. I've seen those.

Have you ever seen Trinity And Beyond: The Atomic Bomb Movie? If you haven't, I HIGHLY reccomend this film!

It has footage from many of the nuclear tests done by the US between WW2 and the day China set off their first nuke. Utterly amazing footage, actually! They show a test shot of one of those shell-nukes, fired from a gun.


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    #3761071 - 02/10/05 11:45 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

We had a huge picture of a test explosion in the meeting room we gathered in when I was in the army, it was fitting since I was in an Artillery Brigade.


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3761340 - 02/10/05 01:05 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Tyranny will not be ended by pointing guns and making threats. Pointing guns and making threats is tyranny. Intimidating other nations is tyranny. Trying to eliminate tyranny by imposing tyranical dictums on others only adds to global tyranny.

No one should be surprised that nuclear weapons have appeared in North Korea. The efforts made to undermine Kim Jong II's regime, to make North Korea as insecure as possible in the global community, necessarily lead to North Korea's continued armament.


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    #3761354 - 02/10/05 01:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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The efforts made to undermine Kim Jong II's regime, to make North Korea as insecure as possible in the global community, necessarily lead to North Korea's continued armament.




so who's to blame?


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Re: N. Korea Announces It Has Nuclear Weapons [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3761405 - 02/10/05 01:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

america....DUH!


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