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Burqa Ban
    #3176704 - 09/24/04 10:25 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Italian woman ticketed for wearing a burqa
Small town resists Islamic dress, sets stage for court battle
By Stephen Weeke
Bureau chief

NBC News
Updated: 1:09 p.m. ET Sept. 21, 2004




ROME - An Italian woman who is married to an Arab man and converted to Islam, has been ticketed twice in the past week for wearing a burqa in her small village in the province of Como.

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The dispute, which may eventually reach Italy's highest court, highlights growing unease in this staunchly Catholic country over a growing Muslim population.

Many Italians are unhappy with the impact of immigration from Islamic countries. Prior to the controversy in Como, there was a public outcry when a judge agreed last October to a Muslim activist's demand that a crucifix be removed from his son's classroom wall.

The number of Muslims in Italy is growing. According to the latest data, there are now between 700,000-1 million Muslims living in the country, out of a population of 57 million.

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Many right-wingers in Italy believe that the violent world triggered by 9/11 is simply today?s version of the Moors versus the Crusaders of a thousand years ago.

To them this is a clash of cultures, east against west, Christ against Mohammed, harsh theocracy versus indulgent democracy.

In Drezzo, on the outskirts of Como in northern Italy, a skirmish is under way.

Sabina Varroni is a 34-year-old woman who has lived in Drezzo for many years. She?s married to a Moroccan man with whom she has four children, Sarah, 10, Omar, 9, Delel, 7, and Imen, 5.

Now that she has converted to Islam she has decided to observe her religious obligations by wearing the full burqa, the solid veil covering the entire face rendered infamous by the Taliban in Afghanistan.

When she started wearing the burqa in public, Mayor Cristian Tolettini got an earful of complaints from local women who didn?t like the new style one bit and were not about to tolerate it.

The mayor gave in to the pressure and instructed the one municipal policeman in town to crack down on Varroni with a ticket.

Violation of arcane law
The ticket was based on the violation of Article 85 of a package of security laws imposed in 1931 under the fascist dictator Benito Mussolini, which forbids citizens to ?mask themselves in public.?

But the text of the law is not specific as to the covering of one?s face.

Indeed, in that interpretation, people would not be able to celebrate Carnival here and even nuns' habits could conceivably be in violation of the law.



Michele Ainis, a law professor at the University of Teramo told the Italian daily Corriere della Sera that he?s certain that the mayor will lose the legal battle when the issue goes to Italy?s constitutional court.

He said the security decree was one of the ?most fascist laws in 20 years of fascism,? and each time any part of it has come before the court it?s been thrown out as unconstitutional.

The first time an article from the decree was challenged was in 1956. In that case the article in question was number 68: ?It is forbidden to have dancing parties without prior authorization from the chief of police.?

A more recent law which prohibits covering one?s face was the result of political unrest and extremist terrorism in Italy during the 1970?s. But the spirit of that law was to prosecute the more violent political protesters who turned out in ski-masks and bandit-like bandanas to hurl Molotov cocktails at police.

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Meanwhile, Varroni said she will not abandon wearing the veil. The town?s one law enforcement officer, Fausto Cattoni, told the Corriere that he doesn?t have a choice. He has to do his job and has to keep giving her these tickets that cost approximately $48.

Varroni has hired a lawyer and said that she?s perfectly willing to take off her veil to identify herself to a police officer, as long as it?s a woman.

But Mayor Tolettini says the town of 1,100 people cannot afford to hire another police officer.

A resident who spoke anonymously to Corriere said, ?We are afraid. How do we know it?s always her under that veil? Italian laws should be respected, and if she wants to dress like that she should go to her husband?s country.?

While the town awaits a legal ruling, Italy?s President Carlo Azeglio Ciampi -- in a speech for the opening of the school year on Monday -- denounced those fomenting antagonism between cultures, although he made no reference to the dispute in Como.

In a plea for the release of the two women aid workers held hostage in Iraq, Ciampi said that Italians ?reject this clash of civilizations? that the terrorists are trying to foment.

?Their plan is to drag humanity down into a conflict of civilizations and religions; such conflict does not exist, we don?t want it and we refuse it with all our might,? Ciampi said.

Stephen Weeke is the NBC News Bureau Chief in Rome.

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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Zahid]
    #3176706 - 09/24/04 10:27 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe she's hot and the government doesn't want her to cover her wares?

But yeah, that is pretty dumb, if someone wants to wear a cloth, let them.


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Skikid16]
    #3176723 - 09/24/04 10:32 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

It's more of an issue of Conservative Catholics having their cake and eating it too.


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Zahid]
    #3176772 - 09/24/04 10:49 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Under the islamic law ( I forgot what you call it, its starts with a "k", I think) would christians be allowed to wear crosses?

Just asking.


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Skikid16]
    #3176780 - 09/24/04 10:53 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Yes.


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Zahid]
    #3176796 - 09/24/04 10:58 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Under the Islamic law would gays be allowed to have butt sex? Would chicks be allowed to have gang bangs? Would athiests be allowed to profess athiesm and sell books about their position? Would agnostics be allowed to express doubt about the existence of a god and publish books discussing the issue? Would wet t-shirt nights be allowed at local bars?


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Evolving]
    #3176813 - 09/24/04 11:03 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Didn't we have an 8-page discussion about this already? *sigh*

Under the Islamic law would gays be allowed to have butt sex?

Gays, as well as any sexual deviants who are caught, would be executed by the state.

Would chicks be allowed to have gang bangs?

See above.

Would athiests be allowed to profess athiesm and sell books about their position?

Nope.

Would agnostics be allowed to express doubt about the existence of a god and publish books discussing the issue?

Nope.

Would wet t-shirt nights be allowed at local bars?

There would be no bars to begin with.


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Zahid]
    #3176823 - 09/24/04 11:07 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, so it would be a dictatorship. No wonder so many Muslim can't wait to blow themselves up, you make life so unbearable that death seems like a party - even if that means total non-existence.


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Evolving]
    #3176835 - 09/24/04 11:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

We're quite content really, when we're not being killed by Zionists and Crusaders.


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Zahid]
    #3178407 - 09/25/04 10:52 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Zahid said:
Under the Islamic law would gays be allowed to have butt sex?
Gays, as well as any sexual deviants who are caught, would be executed by the state.
Would chicks be allowed to have gang bangs?
See above.
Would athiests be allowed to profess athiesm and sell books about their position?
Nope.
Would agnostics be allowed to express doubt about the existence of a god and publish books discussing the issue?
Nope.
Would wet t-shirt nights be allowed at local bars?
There would be no bars to begin with.


And would you like it?

As for the burqa issue, I have no problem with the ban. I am against a ban on hijabs (scarves to cover hair), but from the moment someone's face is all covered and the scarf becomes a real mask, I'm against it. And I think a ban is reasonable because there isn't a single islamic law or precept that makes the burqa mandatory; it's a pure fundamentalist's fantasy, and banned it should be. You can be a perfect muslim without wearing a burqa.


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Aldous]
    #3178426 - 09/25/04 11:04 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

As oppressive as it may seem to us, the government has no business regulating what people can wear.


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: silversoul7]
    #3178441 - 09/25/04 11:12 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

As opposed as I am to "big gov", I don't think full or partial face coverings is a good idea.


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #3178628 - 09/25/04 12:51 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

You would if you saw my wife's aunt.


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Evolving]
    #3178749 - 09/25/04 01:39 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

:laugh:


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Zahid]
    #3179371 - 09/25/04 05:50 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Zahid said:
We're quite content really, when we're not being killed by Zionists and Crusaders.




Have the heeb-ie-jeebies and the Xtians killed more or less A-rabs than other A-rab's have?


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Aldous]
    #3182533 - 09/26/04 03:03 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Aldous said:
Quote:

Zahid said:
Under the Islamic law would gays be allowed to have butt sex?
Gays, as well as any sexual deviants who are caught, would be executed by the state.
Would chicks be allowed to have gang bangs?
See above.
Would athiests be allowed to profess athiesm and sell books about their position?
Nope.
Would agnostics be allowed to express doubt about the existence of a god and publish books discussing the issue?
Nope.
Would wet t-shirt nights be allowed at local bars?
There would be no bars to begin with.


And would you like it?


Well... would you? This was not a rhetorical question...


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Aldous]
    #3186013 - 09/27/04 01:23 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

ZAAAHIIIIID!!!

This question is for you...!


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Zahid]
    #3186966 - 09/27/04 05:26 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Zahid said:
We're quite content really, when we're not being killed by Zionists and Crusaders.




Quite content, huh? This http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/27/international/europe/27netherlands.html
might help to point out further what nonsense that is. I know, I know, that is not "true" islam. Whatever.


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: Aldous]
    #3187269 - 09/27/04 06:34 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Would I like living under Shariah Law? Of course.


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Re: Burqa Ban [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3187278 - 09/27/04 06:36 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, can't read - I'm not a member of the New York Lies, er Times.


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