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    #937004 - 10/06/02 06:38 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

So a woman was awarded $20 million because she was dumb enough to believe the tobacco companies when they told her that cigarettes don't cause cancer....


They should just force the tobacco companies to put like $20 billion into health care for being such dicks.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #937028 - 10/06/02 06:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Sure,they should also make McDonald's start a 20 billion dollar health care fund, because they make folks get fat. Come on now ,everyone knew cigarettes were bad. Thats like saying " I ate the rat poison because they said it wasn't harmful"
they should of made the woman pay $1000 for making such a jackassed claim


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #937521 - 10/06/02 09:46 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Cigarettes should be made illegal. If people can't smoke herb, than people shouldn't be able to smoke cigarettes. Cigarettes are more harmful to your health than smoking marijuana because of all the fucking additives they put in them. Plus the fact that cigarettes are so addictive. I only smoked cigarettes for 5 years and it has been one of the hardest addictions I have had to kick. :mad: 


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #937624 - 10/06/02 10:11 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Actually, the last one was 28 billion (with a "B") dollars in LA. The real question is what jury is so stupid as to believe that somebody doesn't know this by now?

In fact, testimony showed that she had been warned repeatedly by her doctors over more than 40 years about health hazards. I can't find myself buying in any way, shape, or form that she didn't know what might happen


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Re: Tobacco [Re: ToxicMan]
    #938100 - 10/07/02 01:10 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

This lawyer has doccuments which show a cover up by the Philip Moris corp about the health hazards of smoking 20 years ago.. They really did know beyond doubt that this was a health hazard and stood up against any regulation and warning lables. They lied to Grand Jurrys and frauded the American people. For this they should pay for all the sick.

Plus doccuments show that they have added HIGHLY dangerous cancer causing agents to their cigaretts to make the smoke less harsh, more pallatable and above all HIGHLY addictive.

Anyone ever see that movie, The Insider?


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Re: Tobacco [Re: ToxicMan]
    #956958 - 10/13/02 02:55 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, I was going to post 28 billion but I couldn't find an article on it at the time so I figured I'd heard wrong. Insanity.

And to the guy who said we should make cigarettes illegal, you're a moron.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #957128 - 10/13/02 04:15 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Anything that fucks tobacco corporations is good by me.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Xlea321]
    #958060 - 10/13/02 10:39 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I heard in the 1970's they used emboming fluid to add a slight high to the marlboro cigs.

Tobacco really isn't all that cancerous, they purposely put shit in it to give you cancer! Look it up!

And its a commen fact that they add a shit load of other chemicals to cigs, of WHATEVER reason, that it shouldn't be there.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: johnnyfive]
    #959387 - 10/14/02 12:04 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Stupid.

Embalming fluid won't get you high.
No, it won't.
Some people call PCP embalming fluid. PCP will get you high, but it's not embalming fluid. Really.

No, they don't add shit to cigarettes to give you cancer, that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. What possible reason would they have for doing that? They add some things to the tobacco for various reasons, and some of those things happen to be carcinogenic, but they don't do so to make cigarettes more dangerous.


"Tobacco really isn't all that cancerous"
More stupidity. Smoking anything floods your lungs with tars and carcinogens.
"Look it up!"


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #959393 - 10/14/02 12:06 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Supposedly the south american indians who smoke natural tobacco in huge quantities don't get cancer. Whether that's down to the tobacco or some other factor in the lifestyles no-one is too sure.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Xlea321]
    #959409 - 10/14/02 12:17 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

That's definately bullshit.

Cancer is everywhere. There is not one form of multicelled life on the planet that is not subject to cancer.



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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #959460 - 10/14/02 12:45 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

tabbacco is bad for you?


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Innvertigo]
    #959545 - 10/14/02 01:22 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

No, tobacco abuse is bad for you.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Evolving]
    #959622 - 10/14/02 02:07 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

define abuse...


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Innvertigo]
    #959665 - 10/14/02 02:33 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

No, I will not :grin:


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Evolving]
    #959677 - 10/14/02 02:37 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

smart man :grin:.....*moves trap away from evolving's path*


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #959795 - 10/14/02 03:23 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Easy down phluck. There's some reason why the native americans and south americans who used large amounts of tobacco never got cancer.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Xlea321]
    #959914 - 10/14/02 04:11 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Perhaps the fact that they A) didn't have staticians, and B) the fact that they didn't know what cancer was led to no recorded cases of cancer.

I don't think what you're saying is true at all. Could you back it up with anything? I tried to look it up, but I couldn't find anything.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #960031 - 10/14/02 04:58 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

****Perhaps the fact that they A) didn't have staticians, and B) the fact that they didn't know what cancer was led to no recorded cases of cancer.***

good point :grin:


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Xlea321]
    #961879 - 10/15/02 02:54 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I think the risk of cancer may be slightly less if someone were to smoke 100% organic, pure tobacco, vs. whatever the hell they put in smokes today. However slight that risk I am not sure. Neither are beneficial towards anybody's health in anyway.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #962614 - 10/15/02 11:54 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I've read it in a few books on shamen and south american/native american indians. Jeremy Narby's "the cosmic serpent" mentions that the south american tribesmen he was with smoked huge amounts of tobacco and never got cancer. Whether it's to do with the natural tobacco or something else in their lifestyle that protects them I don't know.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #962996 - 10/15/02 02:48 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

>>>>> No, they don't add shit to cigarettes to give you cancer, that's the most retarded thing I've ever heard. What possible reason would they have for doing that? <<<<<

Dont be stupid... Its a well known fact that shit is added to tobacco to preserve it, enhance flavor, burn regular, reduce smoke and while growing it LOTS of shit is put into it to grow uniform, be pest and desiese resistant and grow in any climate.

Lets not forget about the fact that Big Tobacco denied the fact that Nicotine was addictive for decades, while they were adding amonia and other nasty shit to make nicotine more easily absorbed into the lungs and easily processed into the blood stream.

Plus doccuments in court prove that some chemical manufacturers were bought out by Tobacco companies and their environmental impact reports were doctored to make the chemicals dammaging effects on both people and the planet non existant.

OOoh and how about all those asbestose filtered cigaretts? Unopened packs of these are going for thousands on E-Bay for evidence in tobacco lawsuits, while it was proven that asbestos causes cancer tobacco still used the shit intill ordered not to by the government.

Still... 28Billion is WAY too much for any one person. They should be made to pay the FULL amount but that money could go towards building a hospital designed for treating smoking related illness.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Xlea321]
    #963138 - 10/15/02 03:31 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

No offence, but that's just anecdotal evidence. Has anyone ever done any studies on cancer rates in tribes?
There's no way that they can just be not getting any cancer. Cancer is the result of random mutations. There is no life that isn't mutating. It's simply not possible for cells to exist without going through various mutations.



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Re: Tobacco [Re: GabbaDj]
    #963144 - 10/15/02 03:34 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Well, you read the first sentence in that paragraph, but completely ignored the second.

"They add some things to the tobacco for various reasons, and some of those things happen to be carcinogenic, but they don't do so to make cigarettes more dangerous."

See? If you bother to read the whole thing you'll see I'm making perfect sense.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #967475 - 10/16/02 11:57 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Phluck yes it may be true with the embalming fluid thing that was hear say, i really don't know anything about that, but go to www.pot-tv.com and check out the freedom to pursite happyiness video-clip!

If you believe in the New World Order, youll know that it is that it easyer to control the worlds populations by reducing numbers.They can't go off just killing people it has to look like natural causes! AIDS, and many other cancers are only created tryanny, there are many cancer treatments out there, but the only few that many use is chemo?? You nuke the body to rid cancer?? I though alot of the commen cancers are due to radoactivity in our lives weither it be, lung cancers (radioactive feritilzers used to grow tobacco), Breast cancers (much of it based in what we eat), Aids is a human created virus! Marijuana has been PROVEN TO HELP or SLOW THE GROTH OF many cancers and or tumors. The goverment buts its foot down on the issue and says its a lie. There have been studys that marijuana can reduce some tumors down in one month down to half.

There will never be a LEGAL cure to cancer!!!!!


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Re: Tobacco [Re: johnnyfive]
    #967597 - 10/17/02 12:59 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

"If you believe in the New World Order, youll know that it is that it easyer to control the worlds populations by reducing numbers."
I'm not sure what could possibly make any rational adult believe in an international conspiracy to control humanity. The fact that there is:
A) Absolutely no reasonable evidence to support such a theory, and...
B) The feasibility of anyone setting up such a program is far beyond limited, to say the least, combined with...
C) You go on to demonstrate your irrationality in the rest of your post...
simply shows that such a theory is in all probability, nonsense.

"AIDS, and many other cancers..."
AIDS and cancer are not related. In any way. AIDS is a virus, cancer is an affliction caused by random mutations that are constantly happening, in all cells, everywhere. When you get one that happens to mutate the tendency to rapidly multiply, you end up with a tumour.

"but the only few that many use is chemo?? You nuke the body to rid cancer??"

Chemo and radiation therapy are two different things, and yes you do nuke the body to kill cancer. High doses of well directed radiation are the only tools we have in many cases. You tell me there are lots of other treatments, but there really aren't. We don't know of any way that we can kill off only the cells that have the one little genetic difference from the regular healthy cells. We can use chemo (which is drugs, by the way, not radiation), which basically tries to poison the cancer cells. Of course there are all kinds of side effects, people lose their hair, and get sick and weak. Radiation, which can lead to radiation poisoning, or simply cutting out the tumour with surgery.

"I though alot of the commen cancers are due to radoactivity in our lives (radioactive feritilzers used to grow tobacco)"

Radioactive fertilizers? Huh?
The things that can increase the risk of cancer are things that increase the rates of mutation among cells. Radiation is one thing that can do this, but also carcinogenic chemicals, which happen to to be quite ample in tobacco, will serve the same purpose.

"Aids is a human created virus!"
Well, that's a theory spouted by a fairly small number of paranoid goofs. Are there reasons someone might believe it's true? Perhaps. Are there reasons any intelligent person might believe this is true? Certainly not.

"Marijuana has been PROVEN TO HELP or SLOW THE GROTH OF many cancers and or tumors."
Actually, no it hasn't. There haven't been any studies that have shown this. Plus, if you had any knowledge of the scientific process, you wouldn't have used the word "proven", you'd have said "been shown to".

"There have been studys that marijuana can reduce some tumors down in one month down to half."
Due to some blatant abuse of the english language, I have no idea of what exactly you're trying to say here, but if you could perhaps cite the studies, I'd be more than happy to look them over.

You're obviously completely clueless about basic biology and cancer.

I've lived my entire life getting cellular biology and cancer lessons at the dinner table. That's what happens when you have a father who's a prominant cancer and genetics researcher. I'm not trying to brag, but I definately know what I'm talking about here.

Unless my father is actually just being paid off by the "New World Order".


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #967667 - 10/17/02 01:23 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

It's a well known fact that the entire cancer and genetics research industry is on the payroll of the "New World Order." :wink: 


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Evolving]
    #968584 - 10/17/02 11:44 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

A mind works best when its OPEN!

GW has already been questioned about the NWO, and made the comment "A place where all people could live in peace and procperiety?" There is such thing as a NWO, and its rearing its head now. FOOL if you understand the NWO, youll understand that NO you dad won't be payed by the One world Goverment. It works like a pyramind, Only the people at the top knows whats going on, and the lies would only trickle down from there. Just cus all of the info about it shows other wise, understand Corperations control the NWO/OWG (New World Order, and the One world goverment). And its corperation that cause all of the bull shit!

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and the cause me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corperations have been enthroned, and era of corruption in high places will follow, ... and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed." - President Lincoln sent a letter to Col. Williams F. Elkins

Its presenst is all around us, BUT do you think it would look ovious? If legend is true, do you think its going to be easy to see, or the evidence to be easy to witness?? Why would anyone want to control humanity?? Well to damm near god with all of the money-power, but i believe its also to fullfill the bibles prophecy.

Ok then if you don't believe then what that does the symbol on the back of the one dollar bill (the great seal)?? Explain that to me WITHOUT getting in to conspiracy??


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Re: Tobacco [Re: johnnyfive]
    #968624 - 10/17/02 12:08 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Go to the FDA or DEA sights go to any page and search for tobacco or any subrivitive... Didnt think so;


SCHEDULE I
A: Drug has no current accepted medical use.
B: Drug has a high potential for abuse.

Class examples: Heroin, Methaqualone, LSD, Peyote, Psilocybin, Marijuana, Hashish, Hash Oil, and various amphetamine variants.

SCHEDULE II
A: Drug has current accepted medical use.
B: Drug has high potential for abuse.

Class examples: Dilaudid, Demerol, Methadone, Cocaine, PCP, Morphine and certain cannibis, amphetamine, and barbiturates types .

SCHEDULE III
A: Drug has current accepted medical use.
B: Drug has medium potential for abuse.

Class examples: Opium, Vicodan, Tylenol w/codeine and other narcotic, amphetamine, and barbiturate types.

SCHEDULE IV
A: Drug has current accepted medical use.
B: Drug has low potential for abuse.

Class Examples: Darvocet, Xanax, Valium, Halcyon, Ambien, Ativan, and other barbiturate types.

SCHEDULE V
A: Drug has accepted medical use.
B: Drug has lowest potential for abuse.

Class examples: Lomotil, Phenergan, and liquid suspensions.


First of all... LOL at that,

WOW! Peyote is 'highly addictive'?? where the fuck is tobacco!!? The US refuses to Schedule this Cancerous plant and yet they have the audacity to schedule weed a s1?
This should be a truth commercial.

If tobacco was illegal then you'd pay 20 bux for a pack and your quit really quickly! Or you'd wander around the streets like a crack pheind jonesing for one last lonely puff.

America's second biggest addiction next to caffine, but oh well were ballers all upon our twenties...


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Re: Tobacco [Re: johnnyfive]
    #969096 - 10/17/02 02:47 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You've given me a few reasons why some paranoid goof might come to the conclusion that there is a new world order. You use the argument that there wouldn't actually be any evidence of this NWO if it were to exist, but taking that as evidence that is does exist is absolutely ridiculous.

If there were invisible monkeys constrolling your brain, you wouldn't see any evidence of it, but to believe that there ARE monkeys controlling your brain is moronic. I'm sure you can see that.

If my dad isn't being paid off by the NWO, then how are they altering all the research results being put out by scientists? Does this NWO have the power to alter and control the laws of nature and physics?


"Just cus all of the info about it shows other wise"
If all the info shows otherwise, then how the fuck do you come to the conclusion that there IS a new world order? By your logic, everything that seems implausible, and impractical probably is happening, just because we can't see that it is happening.

As for the one dollar bill, you've probably read that goofy chain letter and believed every word of it. Here's a text that contains actual information that's been researched:
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/dollarbill.htm
If there actually was some big government conspiracy, they would do everything they could to cover it up, just like you said. They wouldn't go around putting obvious clues on the money.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #969244 - 10/17/02 03:23 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

Look i tired of talking about it, ether you have a open enough mind, or not; your going to believe what you believe and im going to believe what i believe.

1. Your website was true, its just you don't understand the meaning of even what that website was talking about, and those people yes... they mentioned masons YES, that website is true, but all of those people created the ideas where people who worked for secert societys. Look just read about the topic, your website only proved me right. (sigh) JUST READ www.freedomdomain.com , NO i don't believe in little ET's flying around in little ships, thats also bullshit, the UFO type aircrafts aren't ET's, there the new aircrafts of the NWO. There played off like ET's.

2. I didn't say there will be no evidence, i was saying that its isn't going to be apparent. Dude your putting words in my mouth. LOL im not like all of the religons that say "i know theres a god, ... but i have no proff"??

3. No they would only cover up the corrupt parts of the grand conspiracy, the nwo hopes to get the people to side with the NWO, in the future. The nwo will appear to huminity as the light in a period of darkness, but in accuallity it IS the darkness.

4.Explian the Drug war for me then. Is marijuana really an EVIL plant with its roots in hell, out to swollow man kind (reefer madenss 1937), and take them to hell. EXPLIAN THE DRUG WAR SIR?

The funny shit about all of this is that, were taking our freedoms away just trying to fight these things. (drugs, terrorism) These thngs will never ever go away, and in the process, they TAKE freedoms to fight FOR freedom? YES there is a grand conspiracy to it all.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: johnnyfive]
    #969341 - 10/17/02 03:55 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

There's a difference between keeping an open mind and being gullible.

You're still failing to supply any evidence.

No, marijuana is not an evil plant with roots in hell, and obviously the government has been stupid and shortsighted in fighting a war against it. Does this mean there's an international conspiracy? No, it doesn't. It doesn't indicate this in any way.

There are lots of reasons the drug war started, and lots of reasons that it continues to be fought. I could go on about that for pages. Politicians don't want to appear in favour of a radical or unpopular idea, they just go along with whatever the public wants so that they can get votes.

The reasons the drug war started are numerous. Everything from racism to economics, to popular opinions at the time. I'm sure you can go to your local library, or just read some things on the internet that will explain it all to you. Many historians have written about it, and done lots of research. Oddly enough, they all fail to mention international conspiracy.

In fact, you won't find any historians, political scientists, or any educated people talking about conspiracies.

To come to any sort of conclusion about conspiracies or new world order, or any other goofiness, you have to get some of your facts wrong, make wildly irrational leaps in logic, and jump to all sorts of conclusions.

It's possible to be closed minded the other way around too. If you're not willing to accept that there's a good chance that your sources may be flawed and incorrect, then you're being closed minded.

I was looking over www.freedomdomain.com. It appears that the author of that site has certainly done all the things I said in the previous paragraphs. He's got quite a few incorrect "facts", and made a lot of leaps in logic.

"I didn't say there will be no evidence, i was saying that its isn't going to be apparent."
Uh, okay. Then where's the evidence NOW. You keep telling me to think about the symbols on money, think about the drug war... I still don't see any evidence. You're still asking me to have faith in something without any solid proof whatsoever... just like those religions that say "i know theres a god, ... but i have no proff"


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #969660 - 10/17/02 05:40 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not sure about any conspiracies but there's certainly examples where the establishment has controlled scientific research to produce conclusions they want. The research on Ecstacy for instance has been totally biased for decades - a research project only gets funding if it's likely to be useful for negative propaganda, the lab producing the most government-friendly research gets the most funding etc. Eventually things like this start to self-propagate without any control from above. Researchers learn to address the areas the establishment want addressed and ignore the rest, otherwise they go broke. It's a bit more subtle than a "conspiracy" but it's pretty clear it's going on all the time in many areas of science.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Xlea321]
    #970070 - 10/17/02 07:14 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

True i don't listen to all at that site. Yes the author is a little ratical, BUT like i say i don't sit there and make my asumptions about NWO based off one site.

I was like you and the rest of the others out there, but once i started getting in to the many conspiracys of marijuana, i realized that things aren't always what they appear to be.

So now why is medical marijuana still illegal, and the dea continues to raid the shit out of californias medical marijuana clubs?? They must still think its an evil thats consuming mankind! Or were just enforceing the federal laws. lol

Wake up sheep, corperations control all things. You say prove to me that NWO exists but i say look around, the NWO IS corperations that control, that hold more wieght in our world than the people thats proof enough to start with! This forum burst on how much evidence there is out there.

Look at enron ken lay was proven guilty and STILL hasn't been indicted. When corperations do something wrong say illegal merging or whatever, there slaped on the hand with a fine! LOL LOL A FINE LOL LOL

And once agian

Why are we taking freedoms to defend freedom?? If we search everyone everywhere then we could stop crime. But our forefathers though its more important to have that right not to be searched. You really didn't get into very much detail with this drug war deal?
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Re: Tobacco [Re: johnnyfive]
    #970132 - 10/17/02 07:41 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

hell yea cigs are bad, and i know it, and i am smoking one right now. its terrible and i wish i could quit. i read somewhere that since they raised the cigarette prices 1.50 in NY that smoke sales have gone down by 10 million packs! i want to see how much they have gone up in the surrounding states though. and for that post in the beginning, i agree. cigarettes should be illegal and not sold in stores. i know i would pay weed prices to smoke some cigarettes....there will probably be a lot more potheads though.....
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Re: Tobacco [Re: johnnyfive]
    #970568 - 10/17/02 10:36 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You're still making leaps of faith in your arguments.

"So now why is medical marijuana still illegal, and the dea continues to raid the shit out of californias medical marijuana clubs?? They must still think its an evil thats consuming mankind! Or were just enforceing the federal laws. lol"


They do it because they can. They want to make as many arrests as possible. They want to look good. They like the power.

There's tons of good explanations that seem plenty plausible, and don't require you to believe in something like a giant international conspiracy.

"Wake up sheep, corperations control all things. You say prove to me that NWO exists but i say look around, the NWO IS corperations that control, that hold more wieght in our world than the people thats proof enough to start with! This forum burst on how much evidence there is out there."

Everyone knows money equals power, and anyone can see that a rich corporation has a lot of control, but there's no evidence that they're all linked together in a giant conspiracy. You've got all these separate entities, corporations with in the US are numberous, and they all have different goals and lobbies, many contradicting. Governments are separate from corporations, and while they're obviously influenced by corporate money, they're still comprised of politicians who have to cater to voters as well as funding from various conflicting corporations.

So where's the evidence that there's a big international conspiracy?


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    #970612 - 10/17/02 10:48 PM (18 years, 11 months ago)

If you make cigarettes illegal, you'll have tons of organized crime pop up around the tobbacco trade. Just like any drugs. Alcohol prohibition caused a massive increase in organized crime, and drug prohibition is doing the same thing right now, tobacco probhibition would just do exactly the same thing.

A thought:
I think the whole conspiracy culture is fueled by intense arrogance. People are so positive that their morals are 100% right that they are unable to comprehend how someone could possibly disagree with them. They come to the ridiculous conclusion that the people who do disagree with them can't possibly be thinking for themselves. They must be under the influence of some hidden power fueled by ominous motives.

The war on drugs for instance:
Someone who is unfamiliar with drugs and drug use, sees or hears about people who's lives are destroyed by drug use. They come to the conclusion that drugs are bad. How do you get rid of bad things? Ban them.
Now, we all know that this doesn't work, but the results seem promising: the more money they pump into arresting drug users, the more they catch, and the more the public starts to believe drug use is evil, and that any kind of drug use should be strictly prohibited.
It's not difficult at all to see how someone could believe this, and there's no reason to believe that it is a government conspiracy.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #971091 - 10/18/02 01:57 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

You've got all these separate entities, corporations with in the US are numberous, and they all have different goals and lobbies

Not so different. They all want lower corporate taxation, lower workers wages, lower working conditions, lower environmental controls, more corporate welfare, less welfare for the poor etc. The freedom to go into other countries and exploit their natural resources and use cheap slave labour etc. They have more things in common than differences.

Governments are separate from corporations

Difficult to call this one. In America they might be but that's only because the american government had a longer time to consolidate it's power before the corporations went global. In newer third world countries where governments are often just corrupt US installed thugs - the corporations pretty much do as they please. Look at Shell oil's behaviour in Nigeria for example.


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Xlea321]
    #971131 - 10/18/02 02:15 AM (18 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

They all want...



How do you know they all want all of these things? How do you come by your omniscience? Was this telepathically imparted to you by some of your space alien friends during a level 5 shroom trip?


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Xlea321]
    #971691 - 10/18/02 08:13 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Still has nothing to do with a secret conspiracy to install a new world order.


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    #971693 - 10/18/02 08:15 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

A little more, johnnyfive...

If you aren't anything like those religious folks, then why were you talking about biblical prophecies, hmm?


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    #971754 - 10/18/02 08:53 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

hmmmm its like this.. i believe alot of what the bible says, but i don't believe a word a christian says!!!!!!

Christians are the most confused people, like many others out there in my opinon.

No drug use didn't become illegal due to all that, look just look up why marijuana was prohibited. First off the people never voted to have marijuana illegalized, but when it was illegalized by the gov. they didn't care because they were fueled by racist thoughts about the subject.

So why are they still busting medical marijuana clubs?

I don't know everything about the NWO, or all that shit, im just explaining what i believe, and or how things reallly work.

Did you know that even eminem knows of the NWO, listen to his lastest hit(lose yo self)(he only mentions it though, i dought he would say much in his lyrics anyways)? Ya know bush in his state of the union address spoke of the Nwo. Ok there not going to deny a one world goverment but when it happenes it will appear to be light that saves humanitys asses. But they are what created the tryanny in the beginning, create the chaos, offer the order. Order in chaos, is way it works, youll be be surpised what this country will do under the viel of national security.

Well if im wrong, then WHAT IS the New World Order, because its mentioned every once in awhile on tv too, for example Peter jennings on ABC mentioned it during, a pawn shop news breif he says, "(short laugh) the new world order", what funny about it is, when you hear it, you only hear the name they don't ever say much. Ok lets say there isn't a grand conspiracy what is everyone talking about ... bush, peter jennings, when they mention it they don't say much about, so what is it?


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    #971762 - 10/18/02 08:56 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Im in no way saying that eminem is in on the deal. All im saying is that the word " New World Order" is appearing in our lives now, so what is it then?


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    #971766 - 10/18/02 08:59 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

What i hate about the conspiracy culture is that it has been plagued with thoughts of ET's. There are no ET's, and if there are there sooo far away, that they would never reach us!

Evolving: i don't knw i can only guess?


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    #971936 - 10/18/02 11:35 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Still has nothing to do with a secret conspiracy to install a new world order.

I never said it was. I just pointed out a few goals and objectives that corporations have in common.


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    #972284 - 10/18/02 02:59 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Here's a quote from Bush Sr, from a speech he made back in '91

"Now, we can see a new world coming into view. A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order. In the words of Winston Churchill, a "world order" in which "the principles of justice and fair play ... protect the weak against the strong ..." A world where the United Nations, freed from cold war stalemate, is poised to fulfil the historic vision of its founders. A world in which freedom and respect for human rights find a home among all nations. "

You can easily use the phrase "new world order" without referring to a giant international conspiracy for a world government, which is what Bush is doing here.

Sounds like Peter Jennings was making a joke. You'd have to hear it in context. A reference to Bush Sr's speech? A reference to goofy conspiracy nuts? Probably one of those two.

"Did you know that even eminem knows of the NWO?"
Yeah, I know, everyone's HEARD of it, just like everyon's heard of UFO's, ESP, bigfoot, the loch ness monster, Jesus, the Care Bears, and Indiana Jones. They're still myths or fictional stories.

As for the drug war, yes, racism did fuel the start of the drug war, but it wasn't people saying "we should make opium illegal because those chinese like to use it". They were thinking "we should make opium illegal because it makes the chinese lazy and stupid".

There wasn't a vote to make marijuana illegal because that's simply not how laws are passed. Well, there was a vote actually... in congress.

They're still busting medical marijuana clubs because they still can. The laws say they can prosecute the clubs, lots of people still think medical marijuana is evil, so they do it.


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    #972290 - 10/18/02 03:00 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Oh, and about the bible. What makes you believe in it so much?


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    #972298 - 10/18/02 03:03 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

we should make opium illegal because it makes the chinese lazy and stupid".

I don't think so - it's widely known that to get chinese labourers to do the back breaking work (which no white man would even attempt) of building the american railway lines, opium was being shipped in by the bushel. It was the only thing that enabled them to do the work.


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    #972301 - 10/18/02 03:07 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, well, lazy and stupid wasn't the reason... had something to do with the Chinese using the opium to corrupt white women, but it's the same deal really.
Opium is an evil chinese thing. So we've gotta get rid of it.


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    #972348 - 10/18/02 03:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I think it was a combination of the chinese workers being able to work in conditions and for pay that white americans didn't like to accept which was putting americans out of work. Being a minority there was a lot of resentment against them, politicians tuned into this - attacking the chinese got them votes - so they simply picked on opium as a good way of sticking it to the chinese.


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    #972544 - 10/18/02 04:39 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

****Oh, and about the bible. What makes you believe in it so much?****

i'm guessing faith.......(i sense a trap somewhere...hmmmmm)


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    #972831 - 10/18/02 06:52 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Theory: Marijuana is the corperation killer, if legalized the three largest corperations(oil, petro-chemical, pharmacutical) will fall. Due to the fact that cannabis creates better products, and less hazordous products then these are. You can't patient a plant so make it illegal.


Why do they keep perpetuating the lies over and over agian? Why does GW bush say, "DRUGS threatten EVERYTHING?" Why does the goverment even need to lie? even then(1937)? Marijuana kills everyone (refer madness), when it turns out, it kills NOBODY?

Marijuana is a perfect example on how corperations hold more weight in the world!

[[[[[[ Dr. Daniel Angres, a drug counselor and parent, is alarmed at how casual many parents have become about their children smoking pot.

"Their attitude is, thank God it's not cocaine or Ecstasy," he said. "This is so frightening to me."

Angres, director of a drug treatment program at Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center, has joined a government-sponsored campaign to wake up parents about the dangers of marijuana.

On Thursday, Angres spoke about the campaign, launched by the White House drug czar, that includes ads, Web sites and partnerships with influential groups such as the National PTA and American Medical Association.

Angres and other experts detailed some of the scary stuff researchers are discovering:

* The percentage of eighth-graders who smoke marijuana has doubled in the last decade, to 20 percent.

* More kids enter rehab for pot than for all other drugs combined.

* One out of 11 pot smokers becomes addicted.

* The concentration of marijuana's active ingredient, THC, is 30 times higher today than 20 years ago.

* Kids who smoke pot are more likely to get poor grades, engage in risky sex, cut classes, steal, attack people, destroy property and have difficulty concentrating and remembering.

* The younger kids are when they first smoke marijuana, the more likely it is they will abuse drugs as adults. But if they haven't smoked pot by 17, they probably never will.

Parents have more influence than they may think. One survey found that only 7 percent of kids 12-17 who believe their parents would strongly disapprove if they tried pot once or twice had used an illegal drug in the last 30 days. But 31 percent of kids who said their parents wouldn't strongly disapprove used an illegal drug.

Here are some things experts say parents can do to keep kids off pot:

Strongly prohibit marijuana, and if you catch kids smoking, punish them. Eat dinner together. Know who your children's friends are and what they're doing.


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Drug Policy Director Warns Parents Against Trivializing the Dangers of Marijuana Use to Their Kids

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Sept. 17 &#8212; The nation's drug policy director warned parents Tuesday against trivializing the dangers of marijuana to their kids, warning them that more teens are addicted to pot than to alcohol or to all other illegal drugs combined.

Many parents and children have outdated perceptions about marijuana, said John Walters, director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy. They believe marijuana is not addictive, that it's less dangerous than cigarettes or that it has few long-term health consequences.

In reality, more teens enter rehabilitation centers to treat marijuana addiction than alcohol or all other illegal drugs combined, Walters said.

"Our effort is to correct the ignorance that is the single biggest obstacle to protecting our kids," he said as he announced an advertising campaign by his office and 17 education, public health, anti-drug and family advocacy groups.

The national effort will include advertisements on television, radio and print media, along with ones that will air in NFL stadiums and inside game programs.

"For too long our nation's teens have been getting the wrong message about marijuana. Youth popular culture has trivialized the real harm of marijuana in kids," Walters said.

A common misperception is that smoking marijuana is less dangerous than smoking a cigarette, said Surgeon General Richard Carmona. But marijuana contains three to five times more tar and carbon monoxide than a comparable amount of tobacco, he said. It also affects the brain in ways similar to cocaine and heroin.

Carmona said that one out of five eighth-graders has tried marijuana twice as many who tried it a decade ago.

"Marijuana is not a rite of passage but a dangerous behavior that could have serious health consequences. Parents must realize that what they tell their children about drug use makes a difference," Carmona said.

Marsha Rosenbaum, director of the Safety First Project of the Drug Policy Alliance, disputed some of Walters' figures. "What can he possibly be talking about?" she said. "Alcohol dwarfs marijuana in terms of use. It's true that half of high school students have experimented with marijuana, but 80 percent have used alcohol."

Rosenbaum, whose project is meant to educate parents about teenagers and drugs, said: "The notion that marijuana is addictive, as evidenced by increased treatment rolls, is misleading. ... When young people are caught they have a choice between getting kicked out of school, losing their jobs or going to treatment. What would you do?"

The result, Rosenbaum said, is that teenagers are counted as addicts "even if they simply smoked a joint on Saturday night."

The Drug Policy Alliance describes itself as independent drug policy reform group which promotes alternatives to the war on drugs.

In Washington, Dr. Richard Corlin, former president of the American Medical Association, urged parents, teachers, doctors and anyone else working with children to stop sending conflicting signals.

"We must lead by example and not use marijuana ourselves or condone its use by anyone of any age," he said.

"We'd rather kids didn't use drugs," Rosenbaum agreed. "But we need to educate them properly and be there to help them out if they do get into trouble."

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Whats you explaination for all  this man?

The reason i believe the bible and not christians is that, the bible says that in the end, NOBODY can't point to the coming of christ, for christ will BE FOUND IN YOURSELF! The anti-christ is anti finding god in yourself. Tim leary was declared the most dangerous man on earth!

" Questions about psychedelics remain unanswered because our basic questions about consciousness remains unanswered "    -Timothy Leary

I believe that if we ever understand consciousness then we may just figure out god, our origins, life and its purposes. All of these questions remains unanswered to this date. I believe that all people are connected by there subconsciousness.

I believe that the bible means god in self, by the 3rd eye. The 3rd Eye (which really isn't an eye, more like an organ in your head) is god. God is a state of mind. When early scientist cracked open the head they couldn't find a reason for this organ. What does it do? What is its purpose? Under the influence of (visionary plants) chemicals, dreams, or apon death the organ is activated. This organ is responsible for our consciousness. When these plants alter our consciousness than MANY people get a sense of god. This is only because god is a state of mind and that god is in YOU!

Or im just crazy i guess :grin:


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Re: Tobacco [Re: johnnyfive]
    #974504 - 10/19/02 12:01 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Most of the facts in those articles are perfectly true. They aren't lying.

But:

"Kids who smoke pot are more likely to get poor grades, engage in risky sex, cut classes, steal, attack people, destroy property and have difficulty concentrating and remembering."

Comes from something like:

"Some people have personalities that make more likely to engage in risky behaviour and to rebel. They often get poor grades, take drugs and alcohol, engage in risky sex, cut classes, steal, attack people, and destroy property."

Mixed with:

"While under the influence of marijuana, the user will have difficulty concentrating and remembering."

They don't really have to lie, just present the facts in a certain way. They believe these things themselves because that's the way that they interpreted the data. The same way that you've interpreted the information that you have to mean that there's an international conspiracy going on.

A lot of people honestly believe that marijuana is really bad, and should be illegal, you don't need to be lied to in order to form that opinion. I don't see what's so hard to believe about this.

Oh, and by the way, you didn't even read all the way through your second article. The last half is about drug war reforms.

"The reason i believe the bible and not christians is that, the bible says that in the end, NOBODY can't point to the coming of christ, for christ will BE FOUND IN YOURSELF! The anti-christ is anti finding god in yourself. Tim leary was declared the most dangerous man on earth!"

Umm. Okay. Why do you believe what an old book says?


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Phluck]
    #974523 - 10/19/02 12:21 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

A lot of people honestly believe that marijuana is really bad, and should be illegal, you don't need to be lied to in order to form that opinion.

100 years ago opium and heroin were in as much common use as aspirin today. No-one thought twice about it. How did it go from a complete and utter non-issue to being a "scourge" that everyone must be frightened of? Surely systematic propaganda and lies are to blame for this change in atitude?


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Re: Tobacco [Re: Xlea321]
    #974618 - 10/19/02 01:31 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Sure, they help.
But there are lots of well informed people who have strong anti-drug opinions.


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    #974739 - 10/19/02 02:18 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Ya and i bet those people never tryed it too. Its funny how so many could make assumptions about weed and never try it.


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    #975132 - 10/19/02 06:52 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Phluck-
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    #976029 - 10/20/02 03:11 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

But there are lots of well informed people who have strong anti-drug opinions.

The opinions arn't really the problem, everyone on earth could have a strong anti-drug opinion as long as they were still legal. Drugs are illegal because of propaganda and lies - not well informed opinion.


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