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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: yeah]
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Pft, a woman do the work? Lol naw man they literally don't even know how. I'm curious, how long do you wait to make this step forward? There is a very delicate amount of time you need. Not so early that you come off as too hungry but not so late that she has already friendzoned you. It's a very difficult balance. One thing I liked about online dating. No fucking around, she knows you want her and she wants you, it's just a matter of proving chemistry


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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: yeah]
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yeah said:
AIRDOG said:
yeah said:
DontFearThePeepr said:
the difference is that incels are desperate and don't realize that girls are usually absolutely repulsed by desperation imo.


this but replace desperation with showing any interest whatsoever


nope... you gotta show interest in knowing her and getting on her panties... you dont have to be literal on the last one... they know when you want the cootie, and they like it...j jut gotta be patient and appear as you are not in a rush to get it



Man I'm not gonna say you're wrong but I just can't put a foot forward with women and not turn them off. Kinda getting tired of trying. Should I just give them eyes and let them do the work?


you lack game and confidence, maybe you are too nice to them and afraid to make a move and thats why they are turned off... gotta read when a woman is into you... then you make your moves, not before...

read the redpill dating advice

Edited by AIRDOG (08/13/19 10:13 PM)

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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: AIRDOG]
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I don't really like redpill advice because it's geared towards getting normie women who have a bad relationship with their father.

Like I'll try to just make small talk after I notice they're checking me out and all of a sudden they're put off. Maybe I need to act aloof for longer? Not sure, maybe I am being too nice when I do try to talk. I'll try to give off a rugged adventurer vibe.


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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: Darwin23]
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Darwin23 said:
There is and always will be a female privilege. They are more valuable to our survival as a species (100 girls + 5 guys = 100 babies in 9 months. 100 guys + 5 girls = 5 babies in nine months). We're expendable and it's not a social construct, it's just evolutionary fact.



That's the theory and it works like that with younger people. Once you get into your late 20s and older it's the reverse. There are more men than women who are out of the relationship market (either due to their being unemployed, in prison, gay, or sworn off relationships and making do with commercial sex), and women's standards get way more realistic. Given 1-1 pairings there are more spare women around for relationships and men who are tolerable at all should be able to get them (casual sex between people not in relationships is different and much less egalitarian though) - basically it's women who become expendable in terms of relationships.

On the subject of commercial sex, I knew a guy who was celibate till 26, and involuntarily so, though the "incel" subculture didn't exist at that time. On a trip to Europe he visited a bordello and lost his virginity. Within 2 weeks of returning to his home country he had a legitimate girlfriend. Could be a coincidence but my theory is it changed his attitude and confidence and therefore also the way he came across to women.

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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: testtesttest]
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An analysis of Incel culture.




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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: bloodsheen]
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I agree with some of your points but others I disagree with.


bloodsheen said:
Theres definitely redemption from their toxic thinking. The problem, in my eyes, is they spend so much time thinking about things from their own perspective they never really step outside themselves and try to have empathy.

This I agree with.  But it’s only part of picking up girls.  Empathy is not a must.
bloodsheen said:
I tend to agree with some of their feelings about Chads and how women are naturally drawn to them, and then later in life they settle down with a "nice guy(TM)"

I disagree with that, I haven’t seen it.  The girls I have seen will hook up with the ‘chad’ and stick with them through thick and thin because the whole time they think they can change them.  They’ll even marry them.  The whole time they’re getting the shit kicked out of them and cheated on.  I don’t have much faith in womankind.
bloodsheen said:
But they take that to mean that men are divided into US and THEM. US is incels, THEM is men who don't have trouble with women.

But that’s exactly what it is.  Is always been that way, always will.  That’s the grand pecking order and it is real.
bloodsheen said:
Which is just ignorant and lazy thinking.

Don’t see how.  It’s just real.
bloodsheen said:
They also never really think hard about what they are attracted to in women and how many parallels there are between genders and finding suitable mates.

I agree with this part.
bloodsheen said:
Like how chubby men can pretty much get any girl they want if they are appealing/successful enough,

True.  But they still have to have some game to pull it off.
bloodsheen said:
but no matter what chubby girls have troubles and constant judgement from society.

I half agree and half disagree.  Because chubby girls have such a low self-esteem, they are hardest to pick up because they think you’re just settling for them or going for the easy target.
bloodsheen said:
Really IMO it comes down to attitude. It's a vicious cycle, their misogynist thoughts subconsciously make them have bad body language and poor self-esteem, which turns women off,

I agree with this.
bloodsheen said:
which makes them more angry. Treating mental illness and learning empathy can go a LONG way.

The mental illness aspect I agree with.  The empathy part I disagree with.  They need game first.  Then they can worry about the empathy aspect.
bloodsheen said:
If you want to see a lengthy explanation, go on YouTube and search "ContraPoints Incels."

If your suggesting that to incels, I’d say they should watch some Ross Jeffries videos instead.  If you’re saying that about people interested in learning about incels, meh.
bloodsheen said:
She does a really good job showing how they are mostly just sad and angry people who think it's ok to create a philosophy based around sadness and anger. It's where I learned most of what I know about them and how terrible it really is.


bloodsheen said:
As far as dry spells, just don't make it anyone else's fault but your own.


I agree with this.
bloodsheen said:
Ugly losers get super great girls all the time because they know how to talk to them and treat them well.

I disagree, they have learned how to manipulate them. Treating them well is probably not part of the equation.
bloodsheen said:
Ever hear the theory that right when you get a girlfriend suddenly every girl flirts with you? Well it's true, that confidence and not giving a fuck is appealing.

I disagree, it’s not completely because of your confidence, it’s because you have a girlfriend and that means you are desirable because you are now off limits.  There’s more to it than that but that’s the gist of it.
bloodsheen said:
When I completely gave up I found a really cool chick, and after that I noticed women checking me out all the time. But incels say they have given up, when in reality they just become bitter and assume that because the system is rigged against them they are doomed. Which is the opposite of not giving a fuck.

I usually end up finding girls when I’m not looking either.

Well my two cents.

Here’s a video for incels to watch that might actually help them on the hunt.  I don’t see how nicholas’s video talking down to them like they’re sociological pariahs to be studied is going to help.



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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: yeah]
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yeah said:
I don't really like redpill advice because it's geared towards getting normie women who have a bad relationship with their father.

Like I'll try to just make small talk after I notice they're checking me out and all of a sudden they're put off. Maybe I need to act aloof for longer? Not sure, maybe I am being too nice when I do try to talk. I'll try to give off a rugged adventurer vibe.


How about being a normal person who isn’t trying to give someone an impression of yourself that isn’t genuine.

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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
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There are multiple faces that we all put on. Do you consider yourself giving a false impression when you give a job interview? Because dating is surprisingly similar to a job interview when you think about it.

Would you date a virgin if you knew ahead of time he/she was a virgin? Most people would answer no, but what if there were extenuating circumstances and you found out after you had sex for the first time? Would you immediately break up? Probably most people would also answer no.

Life is more complicated than "be yourself." We all have many faces, it's unwise to put forth anything but what you consider the best of you


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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: bloodsheen]
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Quote:
it's unwise to put forth anything but what you consider the best of you


You don’t have to lay out all your flaws, but it’s a turn off when someone is trying to sell themselves that way. Immodest people are fake. I totally disagree with your statement.

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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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It's not about being immodest necessarily. But you are welcome to your opinion. You are wrong, but I accept your premise. I have no idea how successful you've been in the dating department, but the most honest and upfront people I've met struggle heavily with dating. I used to be more like that, didn't work out for me. Not everyone is born attractive and appealing, it's a learned skill for many


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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Anonymous #1 said:
yeah said:
I don't really like redpill advice because it's geared towards getting normie women who have a bad relationship with their father.

Like I'll try to just make small talk after I notice they're checking me out and all of a sudden they're put off. Maybe I need to act aloof for longer? Not sure, maybe I am being too nice when I do try to talk. I'll try to give off a rugged adventurer vibe.


How about being a normal person who isn’t trying to give someone an impression of yourself that isn’t genuine.


no I think being aloof is pretty natural for me and when I rush to small talk is when I'm not being myself

btw you're a bitch for saying that anonymously


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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: yeah]
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I'm not an incel

Never went around asking women to hangout or anything though , mostly just because I dont want to bug anyone

The onlin thing didnt work for me and I never asked a woman out in person before but I might give it a try one day , only if they show interest first

just going up to random people seems strange

I would say that I'm not really missing out on much and patience is good


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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: watermelon mon]
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It's kind of embarrassing to me that I never asked anyone before and this is the first time that I ever told anyone that

Do have it in me to do it and I'm not afraid just never done it


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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: watermelon mon]
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watermelon mon said:
I'm not an incel

Never went around asking women to hangout or anything though , mostly just because I dont want to bug anyone

The onlin thing didnt work for me and I never asked a woman out in person before but I might give it a try one day , only if they show interest first

just going up to random people seems strange

I would say that I'm not really missing out on much and patience is good


More often than not, when done respectfully and to girls who aren't like a blond 10/10 chick, even when they shoot you down they are very flattered. It's pretty fun to watch her expression go from confusion, to realization, to a big shit-eating grin, followed by intense blushing. I get turned down pretty much every time but I've never had a truly negative experience, like her saying "Wtf no you fuckin creep," like all guys imagine in their heads happening. I did have one girl kinda back away looking slightly weirded out and said "Uh yeah sure..." :lol: Which was more her problem than mine, a girl that hot should have learned how to say no by her 20s.

In my experience of being pretty much a loser, I've found that picking a girl you see all the time and like "laying groundwork" or whatever, it backfires most of the time. It's way more effective to just kinda barely get to know her, feel out the vibe, and just do it. Unless she has a boyfriend, even then laying groundwork is risky. You can get friendzoned, or she realizes what you are doing and shuts down. The less you care about her the easier it is to take your no like a man and move on.


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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: bloodsheen]
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Thanks I'll give it a try a couple times and let you know what happens


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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: living_failure]
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Formula: 0you want to be a chad not a virgin looser. first, try not to whack off. you'll need all the man juice you can get for the high lonesome rocky road travelled by philosopher chads and other based chads. my advice is to up your onion intake as much as you can. start a weight routine and stick to it (listen to
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it's old school and hasn't been tainted by the globohomo agenda. base your arguments on logic and reason and not the unmanly kind from emotion and sentimentality. read stoic philosophers like marcus Aurelius, and also the hagakure and 5 rings. samurais can kill with out passion, passion is for fags. the "chans" pol 4,8,16 ect have much to say about this , lurk 2 years before posting anything like this- AT LEAST TWO. the sig improvement threads are pretty good usually. i wouldn't suggest going full on mgtow, and you probably won't because of your concerns regarding the dread INCEL phenomenon. i would suggest not calling your self a feminist, it won't get you laid, you will be forever a beta orbiter in the friend zone. maybe consider some test supplements? i take boron citrate based pills to boost free testosterone. high t is good, incels have low t most likely. incels are whiny "feels" fags, from now on you should only allow yourself to feel one thing, disgust. disgust will motivate you in ways nothing else can, be disgusted with personal weakness, be disgusted with sloppy superficial people, be disgusted by being disgusted and rise above it.  https://archive.org/download/JuliusEvolaArchive
Formula: 1[/tex] 

Edited by thedestroyer (09/28/19 08:03 PM)

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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: thedestroyer]
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Useful article:


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Where are the gay ‘incels’?

Society doesn't socialize men to believe they have a right to other men's bodies, but does it go deeper than that?

By Terrance Heath Thursday, April 26, 2018    11 Comments
Where are the gay ‘incels’?

The van attack in Toronto propelled the “incel” movement into the headlines, but who are they – and why aren’t we hearing about gay “incels”?

“Incel” stands for “involuntary celibate.” The term originated in the darkest corners of the alt-right “manosphere.”

As Dan Savage points out, the “incel” movement seems to consist almost exclusively of heterosexual men driven to rage by their inability to find women willing to date or have sex with them. In his exhaustive take on the subject, there’s one question Savage doesn’t answer: Where are the gay “incels”?

No one group has cornered the market on sexual deprivation. As an advice columnist, Savage hears from all sorts of sexually deprived people — male and female — who suffer from frustration, loneliness, and depression. But the overwhelming majority of them don’t become mass murderers, turning guns on innocent people or mowing down pedestrians with their vehicles.

“Incels” seem to have two major traits in common.

The first is a sense of entitlement to women’s time and attention, and to their bodies. The second is misogyny, an intense hatred of women; in the case of “incels,” this hatred is fueled by a sense that women have wronged them, by denying them the sexual or romantic success to which they feel entitled.

Surely there are sexually deprived and frustrated gay men out there. So, again,where are all the gay “incels”?

It’s certainly not because gay men are necessarily less misogynistic. Our community has its share of sexists, just as it does racists and even homophobes.

Gay men, however, don’t desire sex with women, and thus don’t have a sense of entitlement to women’s bodies. And society doesn’t socialize men to believe they have a right to other men’s bodies.

Perhaps, also, gay male sexual culture has evolved in such a way that sex is easier to find. There’s less stigma about anonymous sex and sex work among gay men. There are still cruising spots and bathhouses where anonymous sex is easy to find. The internet spawned an online hookup culture, with all manner of chatrooms and sites where men seeking sex with other men can find each other.

Of course, there are also a whole host of reasons for the above. Among them, women having sex with men face risks that men having sex with men don’t necessarily have to consider. Rape and sexual assault can and do happen between men, but the chances are considerably less than what women regularly face.

Nothing justifies taking the lives of others just because you can’t get laid, no matter who you are – gay, straight, or anywhere on the spectrum. But until straight men learn that lesson they’ve avoided since the beginning of time, at least gay men can’t be blamed for this (non)sexual behavior.



The Incel mindset is one where straight males paint themselves in a corner based on cultural generalisations and other factors.

iTS A TOUGHT DISORDER.


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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: Asante]
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How is that article useful?  It’s an opinion piece told as fact, and is beyond pretentious.


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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
The Incel mindset is one where straight males paint themselves in a corner based on cultural generalisations and other factors.



There are definitely gay and female incels.  It's not a sexual neurosis.  It's more like an echo chamber of self loathing, learned helplessness and anger that conditions people to be stultifyingly unreceptive to any sort of coping skills.

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Re: What is an incel? can you stop being one? how? [Re: chibiabos]
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Gay incels lack the sense of entitlement and toxic masculinity that exists in heterosexual culture and causes problems when men who have these attitudes can’t get laid.

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