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My first monotub grow
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I am currently at one week from casing my first monotub. At the day six from casing, I patched it and replaced tape with poly. Misted the lid and fanned lightly today. Due to me still being an apprentice mycologist, I also literally sprinkled a bit of distilled water on my still field capacity casing - paranoid about sub getting dry, but afraid of water logging substrate with perfectly proper field capacity as it appears to still be:confused: Should I mist more?

Casing seems to be still colonizing.

6500k 23w cfl light is hanging above, at about an inch or two from lid on 12/12 on/off schedule. Room humidifier is placed right beside of the mono:heart: Temps are at 75-81 range, RH in mono is steadily reporting 90%.

Substrate was about 80-90% colonized and covered in hyphal knots heavily when it was cased.

Does  it look normal? What would you change in my setup? How long till first primordia and pins appear?


Edited by Cosmic_Cube (05/31/19 09:32 AM)

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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Cosmic_Cube]
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Assuming from still zero responses, I believe I am doing everything right:grin: I will not mist substrate directly and only heavily mist the lid (Wiping it with alcohol first to be sure), and make it more like in nature - like a little rain or something :cuteshit:

Edited by Cosmic_Cube (05/31/19 09:42 AM)

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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Cosmic_Cube]
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Looking good man, hope you get some killer mushrooms soon! The humidifier next to the mono might be a bit overkill. Way I see it any tubs should be creating their own humidity and environment for mushroom growth, an external unit providing humidity in the room I would assume would just create an environment beneficial to bacteria.

I usually try not to mist unless it is looking super dry, and when I do I spray above the grow and let it fall down gently onto it or aim for the sides.


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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Cosmic_Cube]
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You shouldn't need to wipe your lid down with alcohol . . .lightly mist over the top of the tub and let the mist gently fall down upon the substrates surface. 

Many folks are not misting monotubs at all.  Instead, the tub lid is left closed and your substrate, as long as it is deep enough and hydrated at proper field capacity, will supply sufficient humidity levels through the first flush.

Your description of misting the lid sounds like old information - we use to mist all sides of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) and then stand over the tub and fan it with the lid for a minute; now just a gentle misting and we walk away.

Congrats on your first bulk grow! Let us know how it comes along.


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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Psuper]
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How should I mist sides of monotub with poly in holes? Trying to avoid contact with poly at all. I will first fan for a minute before misting next time :thanx:


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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Nikanoru]
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Humidifier serves also for cooling surroundings. I moved its vapor direction away from monotub, but still I believe in it's benefit on grow room micro-climate (Which is also my bedroom, but it is ok, I have it always clean and never enter the room in shoes, or in clothes from outside. The windows are always open and there is always fresh air here. My plants like it alot:sunny:)


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Edited by Cosmic_Cube (05/31/19 11:33 AM)

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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Cosmic_Cube]
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Personal opinion.... always case right away and immediately introduce to fruiting conditions. Saves you a week on pinning time and provides a greater number of flushes due to the lack of competition from mold. Trichoderma, penicillium and rhizopus specifically love to grow in moist dark non aerated environments (the "consolidation period" all these crazies keep referring to in their "proven" "TEK's" which are not a thing in nature).

Looks healthy though. keep at it and good luck.


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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Cosmic_Cube]
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Don't tape the liner to the tub, it defeats the purpose of the liner! The liner needs to be free so it can shrink along with the substrate as it shrinks. Just my tip. And as mentioned above, make sure to mist from above and let it rain down very lightly as to not bruise the mycelium. I also say the humidifier is overkill unless you are growing beds of shrooms in open air. The idea of the monotub is to create the ideal micro climate for the mushrooms to grow, changing the open air conditions, other than the temperature is pointless imo.

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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Trich]
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Stop patching the casing. Just let the mycelium work. You shouldn't have to worry about anything drying out. I would stop misting until pinning starts and Even then I'd only mist once or twice during the first flush.

You're on the way to success. Just be patient and watch it happen. If you need help occupying the mean time, start a new grow!


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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Mycologist217]
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The tape on the liner has to go, and I would put me holes that are on the short side higher up, imo.

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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Elderlyone]
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Use a scalpel or razor to trim the liner away the duct tape bit to make untaping it easy


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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Trich]
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Will the substrate shrink this much? The bag is taped above the level of surface and I think, logically it won't disturb shrinking process of substrate :rolleyes: Also, what if I cut the trashbag accidentally?

Main reason for taping heavily was to avoid water condensation between trashbag and walls. As I see it now, it still condenses but it could be worse right? And does water in there lead to contamination risk?

Humidifier is traveling around my room between monotub and plants  :cuddles:  and serves also as a cooler - dropping temps for about 2-3 degrees.

I also have second monotub colonizing still uncased. I opened it today as I mistakenly spotted a pin on surface. Temps of second mono are about 80-84 degrees throughout the day (it is on top of the table, underside of which the first mono is) so I plan to place ice bottles around them. I plan to fruit by the help of ice-bottles.

Photos of second monotub. 9 days in colonization. Should mycelium look like this or is this a mold? What are these white hairs, is this normal? I am still paranoid about this:confused:







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Edited by Cosmic_Cube (06/02/19 12:38 AM)

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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Mycologist217]
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My analogue hygrometer is showing 70-80% rh today and misting is first that comes in mind for rising it to desired 90%. Though It was showing 90%-100% on digital hygrometer. It's screen goes unreadable after awhile in high RH environment so I switched to analogue one. Sadly, I have no resources for new hygrometer - all of my budget is concentrated for lowering temperatures for good. I watch surface closely for drying signs and it looks right about at field capacity for me.


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Edited by Cosmic_Cube (06/02/19 12:13 AM)

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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Cosmic_Cube]
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I moved my tubs to more cooler room. Temperature at surface level is about 76-82 degrees. I am about to build a portable air conditioner from ice box, cooler and air duct tomorrow, which should effectively reduce my temperatures to optimal level for pining/fruiting.

Without AC, my ambient summer temperatures can go as high as 90-92 degrees indoors  in July. What kind of cooling do you use in your grow area during summertime?


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Edited by Cosmic_Cube (06/02/19 12:26 AM)

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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Cosmic_Cube]
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If you are in the Midwest or else a dryer climate, swamp coolers can work very well to cool and humidify:



This is what I put into my gourmet.grow chamber back when I first built my farm.

It uses a float valve, a sprinkler head, swamp cooler mesh, a couple 5 gallon buckets, a Monotub sized tub, some duct pieces and a nice blower...also an aquarium pump


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Edited by Mycologist217 (06/02/19 12:31 AM)

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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Mycologist217]
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Nice device to have, but the parts would be too hard to get for me. I will stick with simple ice cooler design in combination with low wattage ultrasonic humidifier.

Back to the casing layer.
I have read about wax paper loosely laid on casing layer to hold the microclimate for mushroom formation. Have you used it with your cased monotubs? I am cautious about touching my casing layer.

24 days after first spawn mixing, 9 days from casing, 3 days since patching and introduction of fruiting conditions (except temperature), 1st day of temperature drop from 80-86 to ~75-80. Is this fruiting temperature range ok for tropical species? According to google, natural fruiting conditions for them are 71-79. I will build cooler tomorrow so I hope to cool it down all the way to 72 or lower. I mist the lid lightly and fan for 3 minutes 3 times per day. RH drops to 50-60%, but I hope this won't affect the sub.

Temperatures are naturally uneven over monotubs - window-facing side has higher temperatures. I wonder, how will this affect mushroom formation and when will I finally see them with my eyes:mushroom:













Edited by Cosmic_Cube (06/02/19 07:14 AM)

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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Cosmic_Cube]
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If I put a wax paper on my casing, wouldn't it cause unbreathable conditions for mycelium and pins? What if I poke many 2mm holes with a nail in the wax paper? Google gave no results about crumpled/uncrumpled wax paper with tiny holes over casing layer.

I have found this in my home accidentally. Is this even a good wax paper? Doesn't seem to be affected by crumbling and feels slightly rubberish, although waxy on touch I think:crazy: I am inexperienced with wax paper.

TL:DR Is this kind of wax paper with many tiny holes (for FAE) ok to be placed over casing layer? Or making holes in it defeats it's purpose?



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Edited by Cosmic_Cube (06/02/19 01:27 PM)

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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Cosmic_Cube]
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I'd stop searching for fix its and short cuts, ignore the hydrometer and let that tub do its thing so you can learn from this grow.

Why did you case it anyway. Cubes dont require casings and your second batch of pics look ok:confused:


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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: mushboy]
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I cased mainly to defend sub's moisture level and I don't like the idea of dunking my sub more than once :cuteshit:
(and only if it will be absolutely necessary for maximizing yields and mycelium's well being:heart:)

It must be I am only being paranoid about pins and they will appear eventually. I hope that this is indeed the case:rolleyes:


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Edited by Cosmic_Cube (06/02/19 01:53 PM)

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Re: My first monotub grow [Re: Cosmic_Cube]
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Can you identify what is this? Is this Trichoderma? They are appearing a bit too fast for pins or other legitimate growth in my opinion. Growth in one day on pictures. The substrate has normal smell.




Edited by Cosmic_Cube (06/07/19 11:56 AM)

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