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LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID
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Habitat:
Where does it grow? Patch of Grass near equestrian center.

Gills:
Color Tan when young - dark brown to black when mature.

Stem:
overall heigh about 50mm, hollow center. 4 to 5mm wide. No ring. Firmly attached to cap, very easy to pluck from grass. Tan.

Cap:
Average about 20 to 30mm mature. Bell shaped. Buff with carmel ring near edge on some.


Spore print color:
After a few hours it appeared dark brown. After 24 hours - black.

Bruising:
Color that the mushroom bruises, if any. - No bluing.


Other information:
mild taste. a little salty.


Thanks in advance for your help. : ) cheers!















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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: djtimbino]
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djtimbino said:
Other information:
mild taste. a little salty




I hope you dont always take tastes of unidentified mushrooms and if you do i hope you spit them out immediately even a piece of some poisonous species can be quite dangerous. You might get poisoned or get a chemical burn. Even the handling of certain species can absorb toxins. Not trying to be mean just some helpful advice :smile: but i agree i think you have a pan foe and some other pans mixed in. Wait on a trusted identifier to be safe. Happy hunting!

Edited by Bilever (04/08/19 12:55 PM)

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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: Bilever]
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yes, good advice.

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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: djtimbino]
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Panaeolina foenisecii

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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: Duggstar]
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thanks duggstar!

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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: Bilever]
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Bilever said:
djtimbino said:
Other information:
mild taste. a little salty




I hope you dont always take tastes of unidentified mushrooms and if you do i hope you spit them out immediately even a piece of some poisonous species can be quite dangerous. You might get poisoned or get a chemical burn. Even the handling of certain species can absorb toxins. Not trying to be mean just some helpful advice :smile: but i agree i think you have a pan foe and some other pans mixed in. Wait on a trusted identifier to be safe. Happy hunting!



This is not true, tasting is a valid approach to identifying mushrooms. You’re supposed to only taste a small bit and then spit it out. Even if you did accidentally swallow a tiny bit of even a deadly poisonous mushroom, it won’t do much harm. There are no mushrooms that are poisonous to touch, and they won’t give you a chemical burn.

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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: Duggstar]
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Duggstar said:
Panaeolina foenisecii



Those spore prints are black.


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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
Duggstar said:
Panaeolina foenisecii



Those spore prints are black.



I see some discoloration on a few them if you look closely, plus op said they were brown a few hours after but turned black after 24 hours.


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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: The lurker]
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If you lighten the shadows and saturate the colour on the photo you can clearly see they’re brown, yet the black sharpie mark remains black.

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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: The lurker]
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The lurker said:
lowbrow said:
Duggstar said:
Panaeolina foenisecii



Those spore prints are black.



I see some discoloration on a few them if you look closely, plus op said they were brown a few hours after but turned black after 24 hours.



Why would that happen?  I always took spore prints of Foes for scientific purposes and they never changed colors.  I had a whole sheet of paper that I printed them on.  I printed one cinct. On it to compare.  It stood out like a sore thumb.


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Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: Duggstar]
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Duggstar said:
If you lighten the shadows and saturate the colour on the photo you can clearly see they’re brown, yet the black sharpie mark remains black.




What exactly did you do this under?  Photoshop or other?

Also, the sharpie did not remain black, it now has a purple tint to it.


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Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: lowbrow]
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It’ just the standard photo editing software on my iPhone. BTW black sharpie ink isn’t really black, but is really dark purple. I discovered this when I accidentally spilt some rubbing alcohol on a page with a black sharpie mark on it.

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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: Duggstar]
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Duggstar said:
It’ just the standard photo editing software on my iPhone. BTW black sharpie ink isn’t really black, but is really dark purple. I discovered this when I accidentally spilt some rubbing alcohol on a page with a black sharpie mark on it.



That’s what I’m getting at.  From the threads I’ve read, pan. Cinct. Spores are a dark brown under the microscope.  Wouldn’t that effect just remove the dominantly visual color and accentuate the secondary?  It did it with the sharpie, why wouldn’t it do it with the prints?


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Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: lowbrow]
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I suppose you have a point, but I would still say they are Panaeolina foenisecii because I don't see any blackening on the gills, the stems look too whitish and bald for P. cinctulus, and some of the prints do look brown to me even on the unedited photos, especially pic 6, and the OP did say they looked brown and he's the one looking at them in reality.

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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: Duggstar]
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Panaeolina Foenisecii

Those spores are brown.



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Moria's Gymnopilus Guide

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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: Moria841]
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Definitely pan foes.


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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
The lurker said:
lowbrow said:
Duggstar said:
Panaeolina foenisecii



Those spore prints are black.



I see some discoloration on a few them if you look closely, plus op said they were brown a few hours after but turned black after 24 hours.



Why would that happen?  I always took spore prints of Foes for scientific purposes and they never changed colors.  I had a whole sheet of paper that I printed them on.  I printed one cinct. On it to compare.  It stood out like a sore thumb.



I couldn’t tell you exactly why besides to the human eye cincts have jet black spore prints foes do not and I saw areas that clearly weren’t totally black, the areas that appear brown with duggstar’s editing were the areas I saw before that were slightly discolored. Yeah what you’re saying makes sense a cinct print compared to a foe would definitely have some fairly obvious differences.

I mean you can see it without editing the photo at all, it’s a little blurry but I zoomed in on a few. Definitely a bit of obvious discoloration while cincts should be totally black



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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: Duggstar]
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Duggstar said:
Bilever said:
djtimbino said:
Other information:
mild taste. a little salty




I hope you dont always take tastes of unidentified mushrooms and if you do i hope you spit them out immediately even a piece of some poisonous species can be quite dangerous. You might get poisoned or get a chemical burn. Even the handling of certain species can absorb toxins. Not trying to be mean just some helpful advice :smile: but i agree i think you have a pan foe and some other pans mixed in. Wait on a trusted identifier to be safe. Happy hunting!



This is not true, tasting is a valid approach to identifying mushrooms. You’re supposed to only taste a small bit and then spit it out. Even if you did accidentally swallow a tiny bit of even a deadly poisonous mushroom, it won’t do much harm. There are no mushrooms that are poisonous to touch, and they won’t give you a chemical burn.



Oh im sorry i did not mean to spread misinformation! I read a few times that death caps, destroying angels etc shouldnt be handled cause the toxins can get into your pores. I read one time someone had a alergic reaction to one he was tasting causing chemical burns. I just always was on the precautionary side since then good to know i wasnt doing anything dumb when i was hunting and tasting mushrooms :smile: thanks duggstar!

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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: The lurker]
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I concede.


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Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: LBM - Pan Foe? Please Help ID [Re: lowbrow]
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You don't judge spore color under the microscope,  it's not correct,  spore print colors are based on the color created by thousands upon thousand of spores piling up on top of each other, not the color of individual spores.


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Psilocybe cubensis data collection thread. please help with this project if you hunt wild cubensis.
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=26513593&page=0&vc=1#26513593

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