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Invisibleneverwhere
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Re: 1984(Hopefully a Discussion)
    #259076 - 06/18/00 12:30 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Doob,
Great topic. I LOVED 1984 when I first read it in High School. Yes, I do believe it is 1984, it always has been, and it will continueto be.
!984 was Orwell's worst case scenario of the world, a warning, if you will. I believe it to be true. On a much smaller scale, that is, but we are definately heading in that direction. FOr example, Newspeak and slogans. They took away people's education and fed them slogans so they couldnt think for themselves, or properly express themselves. I often find myself singing commercial jingles for the product I am buying. Like I said, a much smaller scale, but it is exactly the sort of thing orwell is talking about.
As for privacy and telescreens....privacy as we know it is over. I'm sorry, but people who think they cant be monitored over the internet are naive. If you are online, you can be found. With new technology, you can hide cameras pretty much anywhere.
In 1984, people didnt know what the wars were about, they just knew the fighting was needed, and they always won. How long did it take our very own government
to admit that they didnt know what the hell they were doing in Vietnam?
Look at how Hitler was able to control the masses. That wasnt so long ago. WHat makes us think a modern day dictator couldnt win us over? They need to learn how to manipulate us, which probably wouldnt be too difficult.
When we watch the news, how do we know we are getting the truth? How often have we watched 20/20 or dateline and been pissed off at what they have said about the drug community?

The premis of the party was providing a utopia. People have always strived for a utopia, which can never exist until we become perfect.



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Re: 1984(Hopefully a Discussion)
    #259078 - 06/19/00 08:51 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: 1984(Hopefully a Discussion)
    #259079 - 06/20/00 06:08 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Orwell was a great man, who knew people.
Read his biographies (sp?), and look how fascinating it was (to me).
But, I think that kind of goverment wouldnt last for ever as no one will.
And people are not that jerks as he implies,
because even it is hard too believe there are many of people who are ready to die for their ideals, and those would destroy it afterall.
even I agree that 95-99.99999999999999% would tolerate that torture forever.

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Re: 1984(Hopefully a Discussion)
    #259080 - 06/20/00 08:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

People don't seem to mind having freedoms taken from themselves.

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Re: 1984(Hopefully a Discussion)
    #259081 - 06/23/00 03:34 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

The Government is an ever evolving entity, that shifts as we sleep, who has the money and mind-power to come up with new idealogical ways of overshadowing and intimidating the commonfolk and the countrys abound the planet. We are as much to blame as they create havoc, we have our right to vote, a professor once said to me "we have as much as a right to vote, as we have a right not to" he continued saying "if america as a whole or even in part were to put nothing but our names or our ballots and submitted them blank, showing neither party our support, but much rather we'd like a different selection, that the choices presented aren't a choice for us at all" Try to research what ideas and inventions that the government has come up with and years later has end-user consumer product, simply because for them it no longer served a purpose. I feel at the bottom of some backward pyramid scam. Media, Advertising, Print, aired, or Displayed on the internet, has been thru the gov't s hands one way or another, via copyrights, trademarks, and other sorts of certification. I hate to say it but its happened for hundreds of years, whats ever to stop it, even from progressing?


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