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Offlinekermit
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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: PGF]
    #677765 - 06/14/02 05:57 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

hmmm? how about a post-structural analysis of how pynchon?s choice of words, and his use of simile and metaphor is code to further marginalize aquatic wild-life.

he?s just trying to keep "greenie" down!


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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: PGF]
    #682509 - 06/16/02 04:36 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

My book arrived on Friday, however I won't be able to pick it up until Monday. I should be able to hammer it out in a couple of days I think, I read fairly rapidly. I'm eager to begin discussion of this book and if it appeals to me I plan on reading Gravity's Rainbow in the future. I talked to my brother about Pynchon and he gave him extremely high praise.
So what's it look like, 6 or so of us for discussion? Not too shabby but I was hoping for more. This is the first book tho so I'm sure we can recruit more as we go. Reading for me unfortunately has become a lost form of entertainment. Damn internet anyway.

Buzz


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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: kermit]
    #687031 - 06/18/02 08:41 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

kermit, haha....that made me chuckle...

buzzdoctor, choke it down. It's one of his easier reads.

I'm preparing a post for Thursday on the reading.

I think it will be better to start a new post on Vineland rather than continue in this thread that ahs nothing to do with the actual analysis.....



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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: PGF]
    #689902 - 06/20/02 06:41 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

It's 6/20...

Anyone need more time?


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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: PGF]
    #689942 - 06/20/02 07:09 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I got a copy today. It's not the 1997 Penguin one.
I can't remember. Brown, I think. That's the publisher,
I think.
I'm going to read it.

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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: bivalve]
    #689954 - 06/20/02 07:21 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

oy, i'm still plodding thru _mason & dixon_
hope to finish it off by friday or saturday & pick up _vineland_ (to re-read, so as to get up to speed, maybe...)
i own copies of v, gravity's rainbow, crying of lot 49, & slow learner... had to borrow m&d, & vineland from public library...
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hmm, nobody picked up thread in huxley's _island_ oh well...


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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: bivalve]
    #689971 - 06/20/02 07:29 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Okay, since everyone's not on the same page, we have a couple options.

We could start discussion on say, the first three chapters on Tuesday.

Or we could give a couple of weeks for everyone to catch up and start discussion on the entire book say a week from next Wednesday.

I think we should have as many people taking part in this as possible, rather then being in a hurry to start.


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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #690085 - 06/20/02 08:29 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

so does this mean we are pushing back the start date?

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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: WildCardsRevenge]
    #690103 - 06/20/02 08:34 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Unless there's a strong objection...


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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #690685 - 06/20/02 02:08 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I'm on chapter 9, should have it finished by this weekend. I'll go along with either suggestion, I'd probably rather have the discussion on the entire book but if it's chapter-by-chapter I think it'd be best if everyone had finished the book. There may be things brought up that are towards the end but will be discussed in earlier chapters also.

Wheres PGF in all of this?

Buzz


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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: BuzzDoctor]
    #690967 - 06/20/02 03:47 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I've been posting all day and haven't seen him...

I'm sure he'll check in before day's end.


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“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #692300 - 06/21/02 09:22 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

What are we doing?
Pushing the date back a week or a few days?
sounds good to me.

Did you ever get the book doob?

gnrm, how is M&D? I almost bought a copy.....


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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: PGF]
    #692336 - 06/21/02 09:40 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

How about we shoot for a week from Monday?


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“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #692679 - 06/21/02 01:04 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

What type of forum are we following? A chapter-by-chapter discussion or the entire book in general?



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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: BuzzDoctor]
    #693777 - 06/22/02 07:52 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Entire book


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“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: BuzzDoctor]
    #693782 - 06/22/02 07:53 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

This thing
is good to browse through as you read. It should help you to
follow the little jokes and shtuff.

So, Doobie, what's the date?


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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: PGF]
    #694039 - 06/22/02 10:22 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

7/1


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“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #694390 - 06/22/02 01:51 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

thanks for pushing it back- ill have it done by then. hows the discussion goint to work, btw? ive had several ideas (well, the kind that usually end up as papers when a professor says to write about a novel youve been assigned...) are we going to be posting essay type things and have people respond, or have someone (pgf?) lead a discussion with some questions, or...? just thinking ahead...

im liking it, (about 1/2 way done), but i keep thinking "mucho maas!" and havent had that excitement about anyone yet. maybe soon?


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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: oscill8]
    #694535 - 06/22/02 03:13 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I was wondering about the same thing osc. First, i thought I should write up an essay and have responses....but that's not really a discussion about the novel...so, I guess a few questions...maybe some short insights to get the ball rolling and just let the discussion develop from there....

I think maybe the IRC chat at #bookclub or whatever the channel will be will have to be a bit more structured so that everyone is not talking at once or cross talking...

It should be fairll easy to track discussion here...but in real time, on IRC, it may be a little more chaotic.


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Re: Vineland for discussion with amazon link [Re: PGF]
    #695373 - 06/23/02 12:20 AM (21 years, 10 months ago)

mason & dixon...
whew... don't drop it on yr foot ... transit of venus observ'd in africa, battle at sea, royal society politics, laying the line in america with varied cast of colonials, natives, ghosts, golems, mechanical ducks, talking dogs, chinese geomancers, ley lines, hollow earthers, jesuit intrigues, all stirred well into a tasty burgoo, maybe...


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