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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Pinkerton] * 6
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It's actually not. The movie uses vegas as a metaphore for America. It is shinny and loud And distracting. It operates on money and sequins and bravado. Just a block away though, there is a sad eyed middle aged woman with a knife scar on her throat, who spends her days serving pie to violent perverts who have been chased out of the strip. It uses the attitudes of 70's america to mock the naivete of the mainstraim. Thompson waxes nostalgically about "The essential decency of the white mans culture" then he goes on to categorically disprove the idea. Toby McGuire's character is also quite telling, a young idealist with a Mickey mouse t-shirt, out looking for the truth. When he finds it though, he runs off screaming into the desert.  It is a film about the decay of decadence, the death rattle of the American century. The police at one point in the film, mock anthropologists Margaret Meed, acusing her of a "private marijuana addiction", this is a reference to culture, it is meant to point out that you should be examining the movie and its events from a culturally critical stand point, the way an anthropologist does. The drugs is the movie are meant to represent the constant fading in and out of the American reality, a reality so surrounded by falsehoods and facades that it is impossible to recognize when you look for it. Early in the film Zeta has the radio on and it is talking about record high drug deaths of US soldiers in Vietnam, but he quickly xhanges the station to the song "one toke over the line", then he sings loudly while dumping cocaine onto his suitcase. He is burying the truth, trying to sing over it. It is an apocalyptic film, about riding the final wave of something, and riding ot as hard as you can because you're sure this is the end.


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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down] * 1
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I'm sure it's very profound, just like love stories where some pretty woman finds a pretty man. Sure it looks good on the outside, but really what is in the inside? It's manipulation. :wink:

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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Pinkerton] * 2
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All art is manipulation. If art does not move the emotions and thoughts of the viewer then it is bland and meaningless. The movie isn't trying to trick people, it lays out its points pretty clearly. It has a lot of humor and showmanship, but it's supposed to be entertaining. People don't sit down to a movie because they want to be lectured at. Unless you're trying to make some dumb fucking illuminati bullshit conspiracy point. That shit is all stupid.


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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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Manipulation as in giving a false impression of something.

Fear and Loathing pretends to lay a finger on America when all it really does is show two whacky people not giving a fuck about the status quo. Of course it's all intriguing when it's two hot men. :wink:

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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
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LOL!!!!!
Pinkey, you are a pretty funny person.

They don't give a fuck about what's happening because they have accepted the decay and learned how to thrive in it. They make many references to the booming 1960's with its utopian sense of growth and achievement, but then they return to 71, to show that the balloon has popped. 1971 is an america on life support. Thompson goes on a long monologue toward the end of the movie where he directly lays out the flaws of the 1960's mindset. The idea that you can buy enlightenment on little pieces of paper, the idea that hope is enough on it's own to change the world, the idea that god is real. He is saying all this while standing in a destroyed vegas hotel room. The lush carpet flooded over with toilet water. The walls ripped apart or plastered with filth. The place used to be the definition of luxury but now its a garbage dump. He walks around investigating the place, trying to figure out where things went wrong.


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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down] * 1
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I love the way you broke that down Llama. Real astute and succinct sir!!


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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down] * 3
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Calm_A_Llama_Down said:
It's actually not. The movie uses vegas as a metaphore for America. It is shinny and loud And distracting. It operates on money and sequins and bravado. Just a block away though, there is a sad eyed middle aged woman with a knife scar on her throat, who spends her days serving pie to violent perverts who have been chased out of the strip. It uses the attitudes of 70's america to mock the naivete of the mainstraim. Thompson waxes nostalgically about "The essential decency of the white mans culture" then he goes on to categorically disprove the idea. Toby McGuire's character is also quite telling, a young idealist with a Mickey mouse t-shirt, out looking for the truth. When he finds it though, he runs off screaming into the desert.  It is a film about the decay of decadence, the death rattle of the American century. The police at one point in the film, mock anthropologists Margaret Meed, acusing her of a "private marijuana addiction", this is a reference to culture, it is meant to point out that you should be examining the movie and its events from a culturally critical stand point, the way an anthropologist does. The drugs is the movie are meant to represent the constant fading in and out of the American reality, a reality so surrounded by falsehoods and facades that it is impossible to recognize when you look for it. Early in the film Zeta has the radio on and it is talking about record high drug deaths of US soldiers in Vietnam, but he quickly xhanges the station to the song "one toke over the line", then he sings loudly while dumping cocaine onto his suitcase. He is burying the truth, trying to sing over it. It is an apocalyptic film, about riding the final wave of something, and riding ot as hard as you can because you're sure this is the end.



Pure poetry.  Great breakdown sir.  You get it. +5


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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 1
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Pinkerton, Calm a lama, very excellent posts!  Love the banter/discussion on the film. I never read ANY of that into the movie, bu then again I'm a sensationalist feeling type person that only delves deep into things other than politics and economics etc...

@jokeshop: I'm loving these newbies, pinkerton hits hard, but is showing some intelligence.


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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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Calm_A_Llama_Down said:
LOL!!!!!
Pinkey, you are a pretty funny person.

They don't give a fuck about what's happening because they have accepted the decay and learned how to thrive in it. They make many references to the booming 1960's with its utopian sense of growth and achievement, but then they return to 71, to show that the balloon has popped. 1971 is an america on life support. Thompson goes on a long monologue toward the end of the movie where he directly lays out the flaws of the 1960's mindset. The idea that you can buy enlightenment on little pieces of paper, the idea that hope is enough on it's own to change the world, the idea that god is real. He is saying all this while standing in a destroyed vegas hotel room. The lush carpet flooded over with toilet water. The walls ripped apart or plastered with filth. The place used to be the definition of luxury but now its a garbage dump. He walks around investigating the place, trying to figure out where things went wrong.



I'm a funny person because I see through the BS in Hollywood?

Hollywood can change things on a grand scale. :wink:

Instead they delude YOU into giving up. You said it yourself:

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They don't give a fuck about what's happening because they have accepted the decay and learned how to thrive in it.



Now tell me more about how wise you are at spitting half-assed intellectual reviews of movies, Lama. It looks so good on you. :smirk:

Two things about Fear and Loathing:

They use VERY good looking actors with lots of fame and fortune. Creating a huge gap between them and very ugly and misfortunate people. Guess who becomes the hero? VERY good looking people. And the antihero? Very ugly looking human beings. Do you not understand ugly looking childen gets bullied in school because of movies where very good looking people get world renowned fame?

Budget and income of Fear and Loathing increases the gap between very rich people and very poor human beings. The actors in FaL surely got huge publicity from this movie, this paved way for their Hollywood-careers.

I.e Johnny Depp starred in:
Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides (2011), budget: 410.6 million USD.

Somalia national budget (2017): 260 million USD.

Do you get it yet? Hollywood is a trick of light.
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Calm_A_Llama_Down said:
LOL!!!!!
Pinkey, you are a pretty funny person.

Pinkerton, you are simply more aware than me.  :flowers:




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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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Give the masses bread and circuses and they will never revolt.

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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Pinkerton]
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Yep, distractions from the (grim?) reality behind the curtain(s).


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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Pinkerton]
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Isnt all fictional works of art "bullshit"? Fiction is made up, imagination. That's it intention.

I get the money argument. Like how can Hollywood pay all this money to make a movie when there are staving countries in Africa at war, suffering with povery? In that sense, Hollywood is very selfish with money.

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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Pinkerton] * 2
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I don't think you have a point. Johnny Depp's appearance is less than secondary, he is playing a real person in the movie, and he looks like that person very effectively. Del toro looks disgusting in the movie, he looks like a fat grease ball.

Who cares how much money Johnny Deep makes VS the GDP of somalia? If you're really concerned about wealth inequality you should probably take a look at corporate and military spending. Hollywood is nothing compared to the money those people throw around.

Hollywood movies are supposed to be fake, you are not supposed to think that those are real dinosaurs in Jurassic park, it is all fiction. Fiction is a deeply rooted part of human expression, it did not just appear out of nowhere. It's a form of communication that is as old as humanity.

I'm sorry that Johnny Depp's extreme attractiveness is impeding the growth of you vague global revolution. I'm sorry there aren't more movies with ugly people. I don't know what you want to hear pinkey. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Narf...


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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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Well he is partly correct on that most people pick values from movies and TV although it is fictional


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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: LeningradCowboy]
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I would argue that movies and TV project values that are already popular. Nothing comes out of thin air, and art is supposed to be a reflection of its surroundings and its creators. But yeah art can be used to impart ideas and make points, that's why people make it for the most part


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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down] * 1
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Pinkerton, can you at least tell us what movie most resembles your life?
Maybe some non-hollywood, independent film with a cast of ugly actors?


Even in my late 30s, mine is probably still
-Dude, where's my car? :facepalm:

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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: foragedfungus] * 1
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...and then?


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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down]
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Quote:
Calm_A_Llama_Down said:I love Tpaul, she is like one of my fave star trek characters ever.

I actually like the Orville a lot. I look forward to it every week. It's not always great but it's always entertaining. I think it will really hit its mark in season 3. Its a lot of fun sometimes as far as shows go.



im very happy with it.  it's a counterpunch to the downgrade of quality of shows

i didn't know CGI was expensive though. 

last night's episode was really good.


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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Calm_A_Llama_Down] * 1
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I don't think you have a point. Johnny Depp's appearance is less than secondary, he is playing a real person in the movie, and he looks like that person very effectively. Del toro looks disgusting in the movie, he looks like a fat grease ball.

You thought I was a pretty funny person but now you don't think I have a point. See where this is heading? :wink:

Johnny Depp is playing Johnny Depp in the movie. I don't see Hunter S. Thompson. :stoned:

These are very good looking people:


And if the audience finds them ugly, it's only in this movie. We know what they look like off-screen. So is Johnny Depp playing a real person afterall?  :strokebeard:

Who cares how much money Johnny Deep makes VS the GDP of somalia? If you're really concerned about wealth inequality you should probably take a look at corporate and military spending. Hollywood is nothing compared to the money those people throw around.

He is a huge part of the problem. Johnny Depp is a powerful man, he can actively demonstrate and shout out against the madness in this world. But no, he indulges in it and profits off it.

Isn't Johnny Depp supposed to be a role model? :wink:

Hollywood movies are supposed to be fake, you are not supposed to think that those are real dinosaurs in Jurassic park, it is all fiction. Fiction is a deeply rooted part of human expression, it did not just appear out of nowhere. It's a form of communication that is as old as humanity.

So what you're saying is that this world should be more fake?

If not, then why do you watch it?

One day you might see through Hollywood as destructive tools to delude people, just so very rich people can indulge in ever-increasing power. Johnny Depp being one of them.

I'm sorry that Johnny Depp's extreme attractiveness is impeding the growth of you vague global revolution. I'm sorry there aren't more movies with ugly people. I don't know what you want to hear pinkey. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

You're not sorry. You're misinformed.

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Re: What movie most resembles your life [Re: Pinkerton] * 1
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P. . .

your tone kind of implies it's the worst thing ever.





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