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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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where/what/who/when/how/why is the dimension of our soul?
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Quote:
When you will have made him a body without organs,
then you will have delivered him from all his automatic reactions
and restored him to his true freedom.

-- Antonin Artaud


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Re: where/what/who/when/how/why is the dimension of our soul? [Re: thealienthatategod] * 1
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SO U SAING THAT DEAD MAN IS A FREE MAN

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Re: where/what/who/when/how/why is the dimension of our soul? [Re: thealienthatategod] * 1
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In Tibetan Buddhism there is the concept of the Illusory Body - A non-physical subtle body which is formed through in the completion stages of specific highly advanced tantric practices. This body allows a person to travel freely outside of their physical body, usually for the purpose of helping others. It's also this body which prevents one falling back into another unconscious reincarnation when they die. They say it is this body which is created when a person becomes fully realized and completely free from all egoic attachments.


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Love is from the infinite, and will remain until eternity.
The seeker of love escapes the chains of birth and death.
Tomorrow, when resurrection comes,
The heart that is not in love will fail the test.
~ Rumi


The day we start giving Love instead of seeking Love, we will have re-written our whole destiny.
~ Swami Chinmayanada Saraswatir

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Re: where/what/who/when/how/why is the dimension of our soul? [Re: mitmitice1]
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WE ARE THE DEAD ONES.

the plot is inside of the dream.

fate contains us,

but what is outside of fate?

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Re: where/what/who/when/how/why is the dimension of our soul? [Re: thealienthatategod]
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Why are you being so stingy?" Sobakevich demanded.
"It's cheap at the price. A rogue would cheat you, sell you some worthless rubbish instead of souls, but mine are as juicy as ripe nuts, all picked—they are all either craftsmen or sturdy peasants."
-Nikolai Gogol, Dead Souls


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I didn't draw this.

"Hope your day is as wonderful, loving, and kind as you are."
:heart:

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Re: where/what/who/when/how/why is the dimension of our soul? [Re: life is good]
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....in your own configuration of words?

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Re: where/what/who/when/how/why is the dimension of our soul? [Re: thealienthatategod]
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oh. Everything has a soul. :smile:


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I didn't draw this.

"Hope your day is as wonderful, loving, and kind as you are."
:heart:

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Re: where/what/who/when/how/why is the dimension of our soul? [Re: life is good] * 1
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The goal of mankind is knowledge. . . . Now this knowledge is inherent in man. No knowledge comes from outside: it is all inside. What we say a man "knows," should, in strict psychological language, be what he "discovers" or "unveils"; what man "learns" is really what he discovers by taking the cover off his own soul, which is a mine of infinite knowledge.

Come out into the broad light of day, come out from the little narrow paths, for how can the infinite soul rest content to live and die in small ruts?

However we may receive blows, and however knocked about we may be, the Soul is there and is never injured. We are that Infinite.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Swami_Vivekananda


Oh :smile: the soul...

possibly no one living before or since ever described the soul better than this sage.



He taught Vedanta in English, spoke before the Chicago group of religions (i forget the exact name)

Anyway.

as you asked my words -- infinite, completely free, not bound by the body, etc.


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I didn't draw this.

"Hope your day is as wonderful, loving, and kind as you are."
:heart:

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Re: where/what/who/when/how/why is the dimension of our soul? [Re: thealienthatategod] * 3
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Soul derives from psyche, a general Greek term for mind (different from say, nous, which might be equivalent to individual 'spirit,' but not universal spirit: pneuma). Regardless of the gradation of Reality, soul is not a 'thing' let alone a possession. Mind is a non-physical 'field-effect,' metaphorically speaking, and all fields (according to physics) extend to infinity, howsoever attenuated they become. As a non-physical phenomenon, soul/psyche is more like something we participate in and of, like space-time. Our bodies are 'woven' from the fabric of 4 known dimensions, 3 spatial and 1 temporal. There is a mysterious correlation between body and mind and not just the brain. The brain alone is an absurdity. That organ is integrally embedded in a body of cells, tissues, neurons, blood vessels, with organ systems and connective tissue that makes the nervous system ambulatory.

If any spacial metaphor pertains to soul it would be that we participate in soul, while soul interfaces at every spacio-temporal point not only in our body but at every point in space-time itself. In other words (and this was surmised by the collaboration of C.G. Jung and physicist Wolfgang Pauli), that psyche is as ubiquitous as space-time, but the awareness of it requires 'receivers' with which to 'tune into' it. Humans and animals and (if you read The Hidden Life of Trees by Peter Woklleben), then plant life also participates in psyche. The philosopher W.T. Stace, like the alchemists before him, suggest that even the mineral kingdom participates in psyche. Today, studies with photons and electrons suggest that they 'behave' differently when they are observed by a human being. This does not suggest any human-like sentience, but rather that sentience is a property of existence itself in which every 'thing' participates.

There are names for this philosophy depending upon whether one is taking a higher transcendental source into account (and then we see words like Pantheism or Panentheism), but with regard to your use of the word soul, the appropriate term would probably be Panpsychism. On the other hand, while a Western misconception is that the soul is 'immortal,' this contradicts the biblical notion of humans as created beings. Personal immortality is not a biblical notion regardless of how many people in history have, through wishful thinking, interpreted "Eternal Life" to mean personal immortality. The Buddhists disavow the notion as one of two main heresies. Here, 'belief' in personal immortality would be called 'eternalism.' (The other heresy is nihilism). Hindus have a temporary soul, the Jivatman and an eternal soul, Atman, but the latter is a universal level of consciousness and not a personal 'possession.' Buddha rejected both together with his Anatman (or Anatta in Pali), but really, the Atman may not be a different Summum Bonum than Nirvana is. In fact, while Buddha never explicitly denied the existence of God, he did reject a dependence upon a personal God (Saguna Brahman). The transpersonal God, without any attributes (attributes are 'parts' and absolute unity does not admit of parts), called Nirguna Brahman, might be Buddha's starting place for Nirvana, as the prefix Nir- can mean 'without' and Nirvana is likewise without attributes.

The soul however, does admit of attributes. Plato might have derived his 3 levels of soul: rational, spirited and appetitive, from a Hindu source. The 7 chakras relate 3 realms of soul as it were - heavenly, human, and animal realms. This continued into Tibetan Buddhist chakra psychology, which drew on Chinese trigrams of heaven and earth with the interface being human realization of both. Jewish Kabbalism speaks of 3-5 levels of soul, depending upon the author, but the 3 most seen are the Neschamah, Ruach, and Nephesh (very similar in meaning to Plato's divisions). It is like each chakra tunes into different frequencies of soul/psyche, which is why they are often depicted as the 7 main colors of the spectrum, all of which form the whole of visible human range of EMR. In the Bible, humans ARE a living soul, an embodied being, a psychosomatic entity which is dissolved at death. The idiom of soul as being a thing, an attribute having location and 'going' to realms of punishment or reward is ancient but it lacks philosophical coherence and common sense. It is just as conflated at the notion of eternity with endless duration of time.

Edited by MarkostheGnostic (02/28/19 11:36 PM)

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Re: where/what/who/when/how/why is the dimension of our soul? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Wow :sun:


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I didn't draw this.

"Hope your day is as wonderful, loving, and kind as you are."
:heart:

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Re: where/what/who/when/how/why is the dimension of our soul? [Re: life is good]
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life is good said:
Wow :sun:


:cheers:


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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