XUL said:

Governments have a bad history of going tyrannical. They can get too powerful and infringe on God given freedoms.

I would rather err on the side of 50 states. The government and Constitution exists simply to protect us while we thrive in any way we see fit.

States can be responsible.

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XUL said:

Governments have a bad history of going tyrannical. They can get too powerful and infringe on God given freedoms.

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sprinkles said:

everyone needs to think about the federal government making it mandatory for all citizens to have REAL ID by 2020.  I do not want an ID chip that will track what i purchase or where i go, or sell my information to God knows who and use that information for God knows what.  They have already been training us with our debit/credit cards.  "insert your chip"

those are not forced, those are a choice.  we will not have a choice come 2020.  its probably the mark of the beast. 


I need to start my off grid plan, like fucking yesterday.

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qman said:

ReposadoXochipilli said:

qman said:

ReposadoXochipilli said:

If the government isn't the structure to implement green policies then who is? The energy industry that has suppressed all green technologies that it can and pollutes at every chance to increase profitability?

I don't see another option other then the government stepping in,  unfortunately it's 70 years too late. 

Ecosystems are collapsing all across the world,  insect populations are being decimated, our food sources are being more and more homogenized. Eventually the camels back won't take anymore. 

Luckily the powerful will have the money to sustain their lifestyle and us poor folk can deal with the fallout.

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If humans can change the environment then we can also learn to survive and adapt to the new environment. If we don't, then so be it. It's naïve to assume everything can remain static to suit our needs.

You're not going to be able to convince people like myself to decrease my standard of living to save future generations with fear mongering, not gonna happen.

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And that is the exact moral failing that got us in this situation in the first place.  Our entire system is based off of extracting as much profit and power possible. The system is leveraged where the powers that cause the negative effects end up profiting from situations that bubble up.  If there is too big of a situation there is a bailout. 

Qman do you have children, or other family that is young? Do you think you could explain to them your position of driving this capital slave ship until the wheels fall off because people prefer the convenience of the status quo?

The arrogence of humans vs nature is unreal, a will to survive doesn't mean that the realities of survival won't be less difficult.

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Yes, I have family members that are young adults, but what does that have to do with anything? 

You and I use the energy resources today to survive, what are you doing to reduce your consumption? 

What's going to happen if we don't stop doing what we do, can you even quantify it?  No you can't, so why get hysteria about something you can't even measure?

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

US States By Carbon-dioxide Emissions Per Capita

CO2 emissions per capita (in metric tons)

1 Wyoming 111.55
2 North Dakota 74.81
3 West Virginia 52.47
4 Alaska 47.17
5 Louisiana 44.50
6 Montana 31.51
7 Kentucky 31.19
8 Indiana 30.81
9 Nebraska 27.51
10 Oklahoma 26.92
11 Iowa 26.78
12 Texas 26.29
13 Alabama 25.05
14 New Mexico 24.07
15 Kansas 23.97
16 Arkansas 23.13
17 Utah 21.90
18 Missouri 21.66
19 Mississippi 21.28
20 Ohio 19.75
21 Pennsylvania 18.94
22 Illinois 18.12
23 South Dakota 17.91
24 Wisconsin 17.47
25 Minnesota 17.24
26 States Total 17.04
27 Colorado 16.95
28 Michigan 16.31
29 Tennessee 15.69
30 South Carolina 15.39
31 Delaware 14.24
32 Arizona 13.79
33 Georgia 13.76
34 Nevada 13.02
35 Hawaii 12.82
36 New Jersey 12.78
37 North Carolina 12.64
38 Maine 12.52
39 Virginia 12.42
40 Florida 11.41
41 New Hampshire 11.25
42 Washington 10.40
43 Maryland 10.38
44 Idaho 10.18
45 Rhode Island 10.08
46 Connecticut 9.77
47 Oregon 9.56
48 Massachusetts 9.49
49 Vermont 9.38
50 California 9.26
51 New York 8.61
52 District of Columbia 4.55

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Morel Guy said:

The President doesn't seem supportive of more Government power limiting pollution at all.

He's a bit old school.  I have no idea what all Cortez wants in the 'green deal'.

I'll have to read about that.

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Quote:

...for those who are still unconvinced of the conclusion reached by 97 percent of climate scientists, a new study makes an even more definite assertion.

Scientists at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California found that the information available can now be classified as "five-sigma"—a standard in the scientific community meaning that there is a one-in-a-million chance that the same data would be observable if humans were not causing the planet to grow warmer through activities like fossil fuel extraction. The classification represents a "gold standard" level of certainty.

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