ReposadoXochipilli said:

qman said:

ReposadoXochipilli said:

If the government isn't the structure to implement green policies then who is? The energy industry that has suppressed all green technologies that it can and pollutes at every chance to increase profitability?

I don't see another option other then the government stepping in,  unfortunately it's 70 years too late. 

Ecosystems are collapsing all across the world,  insect populations are being decimated, our food sources are being more and more homogenized. Eventually the camels back won't take anymore. 

Luckily the powerful will have the money to sustain their lifestyle and us poor folk can deal with the fallout.

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If humans can change the environment then we can also learn to survive and adapt to the new environment. If we don't, then so be it. It's naïve to assume everything can remain static to suit our needs.

You're not going to be able to convince people like myself to decrease my standard of living to save future generations with fear mongering, not gonna happen.

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And that is the exact moral failing that got us in this situation in the first place.  Our entire system is based off of extracting as much profit and power possible. The system is leveraged where the powers that cause the negative effects end up profiting from situations that bubble up.  If there is too big of a situation there is a bailout. 

Qman do you have children, or other family that is young? Do you think you could explain to them your position of driving this capital slave ship until the wheels fall off because people prefer the convenience of the status quo?

The arrogence of humans vs nature is unreal, a will to survive doesn't mean that the realities of survival won't be less difficult.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

When you stop using their products, we can talk about "this abuse of power".

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This is why we need people like AOC to lead the effort to get us off their products.

qman said:

I have no issue using their products at this point regardless of their "fight climate science", either does most of the world.

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All the more reason we need people like AOC.

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XUL said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

I think you missed a couple of posts.  Trump backed out of the Paris Agreement so the US would be the only non-compliant country.  How do we invade ourselves for being noncompliant? 

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This is such a textbook strawman.

Why?

Because if we tried the green new deal, we would be compliant as hell.

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qman said:

I don't want to get off their products if it lowers my standard of living, that also applies to most people in my opinion.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

XUL said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

I think you missed a couple of posts.  Trump backed out of the Paris Agreement so the US would be the only non-compliant country.  How do we invade ourselves for being noncompliant? 

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This is such a textbook strawman.

Why?

Because if we tried the green new deal, we would be compliant as hell.

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So would everyone else.  Yet we're the only country that backed out.  Someone needs to invade us ASAP per your own logic.

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So let's start making America a little bit greater by rolling out proper environmental policy.

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XUL said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

I think you missed a couple of posts.  Trump backed out of the Paris Agreement so the US would be the only non-compliant country.  How do we invade ourselves for being noncompliant? 

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You are confused.

If we take the green new deal, that doesn't mean the rest of the world will...

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We were talking about the Paris Agreement.  The rest of the world already agreed to the Paris Agreement, but Trump backed out.

XUL said:

which leaves us with many other countries that will be non-compliant and the question of how to stop them before "the end of the world."

You dodged the issue yet again.

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And here we go again:



Other countries are already doing FAR better than the US and Canada, and other countries have already said they're willing to do even better.

But Trump told the world we want to continue to be the worst in the world, and we have no interest in getting better.  We're the ones that need to be invaded by your own logic.

XUL said:

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So let's start making America a little bit greater by rolling out proper environmental policy.

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At first the world was ending.

Now we just have to do a little better.

It doesn't hold up.

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Morel Guy said:

The world is not ending.

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XUL said:

At first the world was ending.

Now we just have to do a little better.

It doesn't hold up.

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The world’s leading climate scientists have warned there is only a dozen years for global warming to be kept to a maximum of 1.5C, beyond which even half a degree will significantly worsen the risks of drought, floods, extreme heat and poverty for hundreds of millions of people.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

I don't want to get off their products if it lowers my standard of living, that also applies to most people in my opinion.

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Would a solar roof reduce your standard of living?  Do you think floods or droughts would enhance your standard of living?

The only ones who's standard of living would diminish are those in big oil, whom you pretend to dislike, but actually support.

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qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Would a solar roof reduce your standard of living?  Do you think floods or droughts would enhance your standard of living?

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I just want the cheapest form of energy to have the best standard of living, that's all I support.

If that's solar panels, so be it.

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qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

I don't want to get off their products if it lowers my standard of living, that also applies to most people in my opinion.

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Would a solar roof reduce your standard of living?  Do you think floods or droughts would enhance your standard of living?

The only ones who's standard of living would diminish are those in big oil, whom you pretend to dislike, but actually support.

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I just want the cheapest form of energy to have the best standard of living, that's all I support.

If that's solar panels, so be it.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

qman said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Would a solar roof reduce your standard of living?  Do you think floods or droughts would enhance your standard of living?

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I just want the cheapest form of energy to have the best standard of living, that's all I support.

If that's solar panels, so be it.

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You might possibly save in the short term without solar, but it will likely cost you (and certainly younger people) more once we see more droughts, flooding, and extreme heat.

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