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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: redgreenvines]
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that was very beautiful red

I understand a good time to all you cats now

I just needed to awaken a little more to understand it this way

I am reading books by bhante gunaratana, loving kindness in plain english


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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: redgreenvines]
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Oh really? I 'm under the impression that Sudly is interested in "muscling" out the competition with "strong arm" tactics independent of reason.

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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Democratic socialism is not the same as a socialist, that’s a FOX talking point you’ve got there. And this isn’t a thread about politics.

The quote you shared of another thread was not related to this thread.

And although it’s hard to take, what red said about a metaphor actually resounded with me to a point.

Yet I’m still under the impression the mind is an actual autonomous and somatic muscular system.


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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: sudly]
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Therefore I have learned that not all of your pillars were to be put to the test in this thread, and that democratic ownership by the community is not the same as ownership by the community.

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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: sudly]
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sudly said:
I’m still under the impression the mind is an actual autonomous and somatic muscular system.



Somatic relating to the body, especially as distinct from the mind.

Maybe the brain could be construed to be seperate from the mind,but how can the mind be somatic according to the link given?

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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: Buster_Brown]
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I have heard the term muscle head used quite a bit, and as the arm wrestling continues it's all I can think here


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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: redgreenvines]
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I take it that you are not convinced of the transient nature of his pillar?

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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: Buster_Brown]
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pillar is no less a metaphor than muscle,
I kinda like where he is going with it, metaphorically speaking.
hang on tightly


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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: redgreenvines]
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pillar is no less a metaphor than muscle,



As is sir Lancelot in the lists for the Queen, if you can see it, and then the excuse for Her actions due to a foundation on insanity.

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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: Buster_Brown]
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So does that mean the mind can grow?


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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: BrendanFlock]
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Expand?


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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: BrendanFlock]
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What, like as a muscle expands or atrophies with or without use? I dunno; Perhaps savant abilities hint at an alternative possibility.

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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: Buster_Brown]
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I guess if you keep adding pillars?


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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: redgreenvines]
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Well with the knowledge of information.. not only is knowledge gained through every instant but so does information increase at each moment as well..

So the question is: does the mind grow to support the knowledge and information..?


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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
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sudly said: I’m still under the impression the mind is an actual autonomous and somatic muscular system.



Somatic relating to the body, especially as distinct from the mind.

Maybe the brain could be construed to be separate from the mind,but how can the mind be somatic according to the link given?



If you'd like to test my political pillars you're free to do so, I believe that quid pro-quo donations are a threat to democracy and that an amendment to remove large sum donations from corporations and the likes should be implemented, in essence to remove legal bribery within the political sphere.

It's interesting that anyone would suggest somatic systems are not correlated to mind interactions as they are responsible for gathering environmental information and relaying it to the brain via the CNS.

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The somatic nervous system consists of afferent nerves or sensory nerves, and efferent nerves or motor nerves. Afferent nerves are responsible for relaying sensation from the body to the central nervous system; efferent nerves are responsible for sending out commands from the CNS to the body, stimulating muscle contraction



We can then expand this to a description of the sensory-somatic nervous system.
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The sensory-somatic nervous system is made up of cranial and spinal nerves and contains both sensory and motor neurons. Sensory neurons transmit sensory information from the skin, skeletal muscle, and sensory organs to the CNS. Motor neurons transmit messages about desired movement from the CNS to the muscles to make them contract. Without its sensory-somatic nervous system, an animal would be unable to process any information about its environment (what it sees, feels, hears, and so on) and could not control motor movements.



There's even a term called somatic psychology which to me reflects interesting ideas.
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Somatics is a field within bodywork and movement studies which emphasizes internal physical perception and experience. The term is used in movement therapy to signify approaches based on the soma, or "the body as perceived from within,



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The theory behind somatic therapy is that the mind, body, spirit, and emotions are all related and connected to each other. As a result, the stress of past emotional and traumatic events affects the central nervous system and can cause changes in the body and even in body language, often resulting in altered facial expressions and posture as well as physical pain. Through developing awareness of the mind-body connection and using specific interventions, somatic therapy helps you to release the tension, anger, frustration and other emotions that remain in your body from these past negative experiences. The goal is to help free you from the stress and pain that is preventing you from fully engaging in your life.



To add to this there is the somatosensory system which is a part of the sensory nervous system.
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The somatosensory system is a complex system of sensory neurons and pathways that responds to changes at the surface or inside the body.

The somatosensory system tells us what the body is up to and what’s going on in the “environment” by providing information about bodily sensations, such as touch, temperature, pain, position in space, and movement of the joints. Unique among sensory systems. It is not localized in the head as are vision, hearing, taste, and smell, but rather is distributed throughout the entire body. (Kolb, 368)



There is however a distinction between sensory and somatosensory systems as explained here.
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As adjectives the difference between sensory and somatosensory is that sensory is of the senses or sensation while somatosensory is (biology) of or pertaining to the perception of sensory stimuli produced by the skin or internal organs.




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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: sudly]
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sudly said:
Its become a pillar stone of my beliefs so here's a chance to crumble pillars.





yet I need to know your definitions in use to come to this conclusion prior to completely pulling a Diogenes's on your ass?


inb4 too durnk to read thread assuming you never stated your reasoning? d:shrug::smugjerry:


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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: sudly]
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It's interesting that anyone would suggest somatic systems are not correlated to mind interactions as they are responsible for gathering environmental information and relaying it to the brain via the CNS.



Yes there is a correlation between the mind and body, the former using signals from the latter. It has not been suggested here that there is no correlation between them, but only that they are separate which could mean that the mind could continue to function after the body dies.

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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: Ras Rising] * 1
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I do not have quotes for you today, but the approach towards definitions of mental words is of high importance prior to any good discussion of mind or even in the modeling of what happens in the brain.
these words need some consistency and are foundational:
experience
sensation
memory
engram
perception
feeling
thought
learning
imagination
fact
knowledge.


precision has to be applied so that the words are not used synonymously as that makes the model collapse, but good interrelated definitions will make the model robust.


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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Buster_Brown said:
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It's interesting that anyone would suggest somatic systems are not correlated to mind interactions as they are responsible for gathering environmental information and relaying it to the brain via the CNS.



Yes there is a correlation between the mind and body, the former using signals from the latter. It has not been suggested here that there is no correlation between them, but only that they are separate which could mean that the mind could continue to function after the body dies.



not the mind, but possibly a copy of a mind could one day operate after the body of the original mind had deceased in a specially built cybernetic vessel.
functional mind is never 100% disembodied.
otherwise what continues is the impressions of dead or missing people  living on in minds that have not yet deceased.


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Re: The human mind is a muscle. [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
Buster_Brown said:
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It's interesting that anyone would suggest somatic systems are not correlated to mind interactions as they are responsible for gathering environmental information and relaying it to the brain via the CNS.



Yes there is a correlation between the mind and body, the former using signals from the latter. It has not been suggested here that there is no correlation between them, but only that they are separate which could mean that the mind could continue to function after the body dies.



not the mind, but possibly a copy of a mind could one day operate after the body of the original mind had deceased in a specially built cybernetic vessel.
functional mind is never 100% disembodied.
otherwise what continues is the impressions of dead or missing people  living on in minds that have not yet deceased.



I believe you're insisting that the mind is one and the same as the brain. Perhaps science will one day prove this incorrect. In the meantime we can enjoy pitting geniuses against Oxford University in the honorable pursuit of truth.

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