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How has Christianity helped you?
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How has Christianity helped you on your journey? What, where, when, why?


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: XUL]
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I'd say it's mostly harmed.  It's turned into an egocentric philosophy with zero spiritual experiences.  The philosophy has been a war machine since the dark ages.

Now true Christianity is different.  There is no need to search for that.


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: Morel Guy]
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How has it harmed you in life?


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: XUL] * 1
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The war on drugs.  A growing population of ignorant people with false beliefs and a butt-load of arrogance.


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Christianity was the reason you were busted for drugs and other people make you made because you don't believe what they do?


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: XUL]
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Essentially yes!


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Having grown up in it, it helped me get a concept of spiritual matters, but it did damage to me also.

It taught by good example and also by the most hideously bad example, both.


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: Asante] * 3
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Christianity was very harmful to me. When I was younger I used to live with this constant guilt. Knowing that you are born broken and need to beg for forgiveness from some imaginary force at the end of each day isn't healthy.

Not only that but it made me think gay people were being coerced by the devil. Made me think of women as "lesser" humans. Made me think that there was a chance I could be spending my eternal "afterlife" in a burning pit of demon rape and torture.

Everyday I'm thankful for escaping the grips of Christendom because in reality it is a cult. There isn't a single good thing you can get from the christian religion that you can't get from a secular way life.


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
Having grown up in it, it helped me get a concept of spiritual matters, but it did damage to me also.

It taught by good example and also by the most hideously bad example, both.


How did it help you develop your spirituality.


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: XUL]
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It provided the famework of the Christian cosmology.

I rejected it as a kid because the Spirits were calling me to go My Way rather than follow the trodden path of the christian highway.

It also helps me meaningfully discuss with Christians. I "get" what they are getting at. For this reason I also look into the Quran and listen to Nasheeds.

Investigate all and retain the Good. A bible quote yes and good advice no matter which way the wind blows.


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: XUL]
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Not Christianity, but 'being in Christ' is The Way [to be]. Christ, 'anointed with chrism,' means having the mind of the Logos. This is the spiritual goal of a follower of The Way, which is what Christians were originally called. In Christian theology, it is called divinization or theosis in Eastern Orthodox Christianity (which is the most mystical form of the religion). Unless and until one understands the more profound psychological and metaphysical assumptions, Christianity remains at the level of mythology which the literal-minded 'believe' AS IF the language were speaking to historical events. This is why there is such cognitive dissonance among those who are new to Christianity or those who have never been taught the deeper meaning around which the ritual, liturgical, and traditional forms are based. Only when one goes beyond the mythic level can one reconcile reason with faith. Indeed, reason is one of the many definitions of Logos, but the mystical meaning of "being in Christ" surpasses this definition, it refers to a transrational, transpersonal, and transcendental reality.


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I feel powerful imagination at times.  It's such as life in dying or death, not loss of existence but a large gain.

It's a mystery to others.  It does things to people in my minds eye.  It's not all too far from the flowing imagination one gets from a great trip.  It's not thought but very dynamic, not life but something connected to a deepr welspring of life force.

It's neat to have open imagination.  I like jesus but not the judgment of identity and identity politics nor judgment of so called religious people.  Even though we need judgments to put us into a more thoughtful path.

People judge themselves very harshly and psycologically all react differently them those judging understand.


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Jesus made me a real boy.

I think we're a holographic simulation that exists only in the mind of the entity that we call God, and I think the entire agenda behind the fall of man and our redemption through Christ is aimed at making us real. Bear with me...

When asked who He was, Jesus replied, "I am." That implies we are not. It implies that God is the only thing that actually exists, and that we are just simulations.

The greater body of physics implies the same thing. It shows that we're probably living in a holographic simulation.

The Bible says that somehow through sin and redemption we become part of the body of Christ. The Bible also says that Christ is both separate from and one with God. He's able to project Himself into our simulation, so by becoming part of Him I think we'll be able to escape the simulation.

Basically I think God is a real entity who has created an AI simulation, and that this is the final step in making us real. All I know is I can't wait to find out what's on the other side of the simulation.

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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: agent_smith]
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Christianity - as in the faith, I have found very beneficial. How Christians and different Churches have treated and represented that faith, has at times been very, very damaging.

I find most if not all churches I've gone to, which is quite a few growing up in a very conservative Christian home, were blissfully unaware of how much damage they caused in the name of helping. Sometimes they did help, but other times they greatly damaged and refused to acknowledge it. Feeding the homeless is great, but aiming several sermons at how homosexuals are evil people is not. I found myself to be in a lot of spiritual conflict that caused me great many crisis of faith.

It was also extremely hard to find someone legit to talk to about it. Everyone was either overly religious or aggressively atheist. It was always to sway me to their side rather than just discuss things that were hard to reconcile one way or the other. I came to the conclusion that anyone trying to sway me to believing anything rather than encouraging me to search myself for what I truly found faith in - whatever or whoever it was - was not interested in helping me develop spiritually, rather they were trying to impose what they thought to stroke their security in their own ideas. Ultimately that's a fools task.

Their views of what God is and is not were very rigid and implied God was a dude in the clouds who acted on ego and impulse and was of human and mortal qualities, even though the book they were reading describes God in a very different way. I mean really, it just seemed like a lot of people wanted an authoritarian god to make themselves feel more secure in their spiritual life, but that system is a false system of faith.

The Church and it's religion have been warped by countless people over thousands of years. People are too fallible to keep something as grand as an entire faith system untainted and in my mind it makes any one religion impossible to trust.

The most valuable skill I learned in my spiritual life is to learn to listen. If your creator has written their will in your heart, surely you will hear it if you listen - but listening is a difficult skill to learn and is an ongoing task of self reflection, learning, struggle, reconciliation, and meditation on the cores of what one believes.

It wasn't until I took psychedelics that I could even comprehend a consciousness other than the one I was experiencing. It's much easier to conceptualize a God that is supposed to be outside creation and beyond consciousness, outside space and time and physics, one that can seamlessly intertwine its will with the will of its creation. If anything, I feel that theyway God is represented in such a mortal form by many churches is the most damaging thing. It minimizes any creator, Christian god or not, to something that is not very far from us and our human condition. Once we feel we are on the same level of a being greater that creation itself, pride takes over and consumes the spiritual mind.

It's incredible how many people are unsure of so many things but are absolutely unwavering in what they think spiritually. The fact that so many think we are totally right implies that all of us are totally wrong.

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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: Rnasty]
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Christianity has turned into a gang, since a long long time ago.  It used to be a small game about mystical experiences, healing and so forth.  Now it's a gang that dominates political arena's, practiced genocide, taken away cultures in favor of 'saving' them.

Politically I dislike what Christianity has done.  It's the enemy of a free America, as much as the meth making redneck.  They want a society that follows their idea of what life should be.  More prisons, more laws, more restrictions to wage their 'holy war'.


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: Morel Guy]
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"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Sinclair Lewis


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Sinclair Lewis



Maybe that's what we need.  Just as there will very much likely NEVER be another Nazi Government ever again.  We need to get over with this right wing idea that they are Good and others are bad.

The thing about religion, is people believe it.  Just like addicts.

Thing is the Governments newest religion (psychology) is putting up road blocks for the rights power.  Psychology toys around with the idea, of making religion a mental illness.  Religion really does mimic other delusional disorders a great deal.


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Sinclair Lewis


One of my favorite writers.

Main Street was a masterpiece.

Babbit was good.

Even in his books you can see his progressive beliefs.

His writing, especially in the opening of Main Street, is beautiful.


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."

Sinclair Lewis


:awesomenod: :thumbup:


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Re: How has Christianity helped you? [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
Christianity has turned into a gang, since a long long time ago.  It used to be a small game about mystical experiences, healing and so forth.  Now it's a gang that dominates political arena's, practiced genocide, taken away cultures in favor of 'saving' them.

Politically I dislike what Christianity has done.  It's the enemy of a free America, as much as the meth making redneck.  They want a society that follows their idea of what life should be.  More prisons, more laws, more restrictions to wage their 'holy war'.


I concur completely, but I would have to say that after reading my umpteenth book on mysticism (the current one being Philosophy and Mysticism by W. T. Stace), I am increasingly of the opinion that Christianity was not a particularly mystical faith and that Iesous himself was not properly a mystic. The NT is so mythological and midrashic that once one demythologizes the biblical Iesous, it is difficult  to view him as other than a radical reformer of Old Testament Law, and in line with other prophets (just as Islam has always insisted. The mysticism that later arose within Christianity and which was often dealt with horribly (Meister Eckhart, for example, mercifully died before he was burned at the stake), is a later development often influenced by Neoplatonic influences in those Christian mystics.

But my description here is probably moot because above and beyond this opinion is the inability to determine whether the man was a historical figure or a literary creation based on a convergence of several Jewish messianic prophesies. :shrug: Additionally, D.M. Murdock made a pretty convincing case for the many vignettes that comprise the New Testament as being appropriated from the Egyptian Coffin and Pyramid Texts in her book Christ in Egypt.

Regardless. The character of Iesous of Nazareth is still the paradigm for compassionate human development.


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