XUL said:

I don't condone bombing civilians. Show me sufficient evidence that America purposely murders innocent civilians and I will take a look.

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Arming rebels is fine as long as the cause is just.

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XUL said:

That would be exactly where politicians, and people like you and me, disagree.

So, leaders are going forward with the terrorists term now. Personally, I support it.

Even North Korea accepts aid when they need it. His people are suffering so he can prove a political point that may or may not be true.

Socialism!

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relic said:

got a new server at work and can't access the article.  any reasons listed as support for this push by rubio and others?

edit:  i'll look other places for info, too.

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“support for acts of international terrorism”

Republican lawmakers led by Sen. Marco Rubio (Fla.) have pushed for the designation, citing Venezuela’s alleged ties to Lebanese Hezbollah, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, and other groups.

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XUL said:

It's a just cause if the places are ran like Venezuela. People are starving to death while the leader declines aid, which is a death sentence to many people.

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XUL said:

Maybe you could fill me in with some references?

I am not too aware of what's going on in Saudi Arabia as pertaining to economics (not the K murder).

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XUL said:

First, do you believe that starving your country is terrorism?

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The CIA long ago confessed to years of maneuvering to destabilize the Allende government and to coordinate the forces that would bring it to an illegal and violent end. There is ample evidence now that just such a plot is underway in Venezuela today, and that it is very likely to succeed.

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Corporate media in this country deliver a steady onslaught of anti-Venezuelan propaganda. Unfortunately the propaganda has succeeded to a large degree.

It is sanctions against the Venezuelan government and its people that have created hyperinflation, hunger, and a devastated health care system that was once the envy of that region.

When the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC and the rest report on Venezuela’s depredations they never reveal that it is the United States which brought about it crisis condition.

What have Venezuelans done to bring on this draconian punishment? They have dared to vote for socialist governments...

Now the social media corporations have colluded with government to make certain that anyone who is interested in the Venezuelan perspective will be isolated as well. Facebook temporarily removed the Venezuela Analysis page claiming violations of terms of service.

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Millions of Venezuelans have seen their living conditions vastly improved through the Bolivarian process. The problems plaguing the Venezuelan economy are not due to some inherent fault in socialism, but to artificially low oil prices and sabotage by forces hostile to the revolution.

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...business sectors friendly to the opposition are waging an aggressive and protracted campaign of economic sabotage to deliberately stir up social unrest to destabilize and discredit the governing Chavista bloc and in the ensuing chaos bring about an end to the PSUV government and the installation of a new one made up of opposition parties. The central pillars of the economic war thesis are that these hostile sectors have been engaging in acts such as hoarding and price speculation and have purposely generated scarcity in pursuit of calculated chaos.

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...Heinz employees reportedly claimed the company’s factories are capable of operating at full capacity to meet the country’s shortage of certain food items—but that the owners do not want that to happen.

The Venezuelan government claims private corporations are deliberately hoarding food items to manufacture shortages ahead of parliamentary elections

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it does not sit well with the US that a nation in South America (the backyard of its Empire) like Venezuela can prosper as a sovereign socialist republic. The US and its multinational corporations want a big slice of the pie of the gasoline profits, which Venezuela under Chavez and Maduro have refused to give. As self-confessed economic hitman John Perkins described decades ago in books, presentations and interviews, when a “recalcitrant” nation fails to play ball with the US, it activates its various branches to rein them in.

...the Brookings website features an article Venezuela: A path out of crisis which recommends a 5-point destabilization plan

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The Trump administration’s foreign policy toward Venezuela includes supporting a boycott of Sunday’s elections in Venezuela, hinting at the possibility of a coup, and enacting harmful economic sanctions.

It used to be generally frowned upon to openly call for military coups and U.S. intervention in Latin America. Not anymore. At least not when it comes to Venezuela...

In recent months, opinion pieces suggesting that a coup or a foreign military intervention in Venezuela might be a good thing...  rarely does anyone point out that this is an insane debate to be having in the first place, particularly regarding a country where elections occur frequently and are, with few exceptions, considered to be competitive and transparent.

Trump’s unilateral and illegal financial embargo – which cuts Venezuela off from most financial markets – has had two major consequences, both of which entail increased economic hardship for the Venezuelan people. First, it causes even greater shortages of essential goods, including food and medicine. Second, it makes economic recovery nearly impossible, since the government cannot borrow or restructure its foreign debt, and in some cases even carry out normal import transactions, including for medicines.

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XUL said:

...do you believe socialism in Venezuela is working?

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XUL said:

...guess who you will find near the food caches? Armed guards.

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I've seen armed guards in the US in banks and jewelry stores.  Does that mean that they aren't allowing Americans to have money or jewelry? 

Stop being so gullible XUL.

XUL said:

The separation exists in the differentiating definitions of "accidentally" and "purposely."

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XUL said:

Jewelry is not edible.



But keep on rooting for socialism.

We all can see your Noble values now. Values like in Venezuela -- purposefully starving your populace for political gain.

The left has no shame.

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XUL said:

Sure it can.

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