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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: qman]
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Yet, every first world nation outside of the US and Canada doesn't allow birthright citizenship.


Countries that offer birthright citizenship



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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: qman]
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qman said:
MycoMinded said:
christopera said:
MycoMinded said:
I never thought I'd say this, but I don't think that even trump is stupid enough to believe he can do that without a constitutional convention. He's just tired of his supporters like Bowers and Sayoc being the headlines instead of him.


Did you read this?

Since it’s obvious the order will change nothing. Trump is either a moron and likes signing things for fun. Which is entirely possible. Or he’s playing politics. My guess is that it’s 50/50.


Yes I read it but I guess I didn't make my point clearly. My point was that even trump, as proud of his ignorance as he is, wouldn't be stupid enough to think he can change the constitution with an executive order. But I was wrong.
I agree it will change nothing, and I think it's intended to fire up his base. If his base believes he can do it, they either didn't pay attention or never went to school. I read somewhere that this 'no birthright citizenship for children of non-citizens' scheme is a lunatic fringe idea that's been around for over a decade.


"lunatic fringe idea"

Yet, every first world nation outside of the US and Canada doesn't allow birthright citizenship.

So in reality, the US and Canada are practicing a "fringe" policy.


It's a lunatic fringe idea that the constitution doesn't currently guarantee birthright citizenship because non citizens are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the US. The lunatics which apparently include trump insist we have been interpreting the amendment incorrectly.
There is a vast array of citizenship requirements around the world. Some first world countries have simple paths. Australia for example grants citizenship at age 10 regardless of the parents' citizenship status at birth. So while not strictly birthright, they tack on a 10 year residency requirement.

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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: natedawgnow]
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MycoMinded said:
christopera said:
MycoMinded said:
I never thought I'd say this, but I don't think that even trump is stupid enough to believe he can do that without a constitutional convention. He's just tired of his supporters like Bowers and Sayoc being the headlines instead of him.


Did you read this?

Since it’s obvious the order will change nothing. Trump is either a moron and likes signing things for fun. Which is entirely possible. Or he’s playing politics. My guess is that it’s 50/50.


Yes I read it but I guess I didn't make my point clearly. My point was that even trump, as proud of his ignorance as he is, wouldn't be stupid enough to think he can change the constitution with an executive order. But I was wrong.
I agree it will change nothing, and I think it's intended to fire up his base. If his base believes he can do it, they either didn't pay attention or never went to school. I read somewhere that this 'no birthright citizenship for children of non-citizens' scheme is a lunatic fringe idea that's been around for over a decade.


"lunatic fringe idea"

Yet, every first world nation outside of the US and Canada doesn't allow birthright citizenship.

So in reality, the US and Canada are practicing a "fringe" policy.


What do you mean? Lots of countries offer dual citizenship to people born on their
soil of foreign parents.

My best friend from high school has dual mexican and american citizenship.


That's hardly the point, but I think you already know that fact.

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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
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VroomerMcZoomers said:
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Yet, every first world nation outside of the US and Canada doesn't allow birthright citizenship.


Countries that offer birthright citizenship




Yep, my point still stands. :shrug:

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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: qman]
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Not only is it a bad idea but at very best he can achieve this through Congress not by executive order as he thinks. As per usual he doesn’t know wtf he’s talking about.


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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: qman]
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How so?


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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
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VroomerMcZoomers said:
How so?


"first world nation"

You listed a bunch of poor third world nations that don't care who gets birthright citizenship.  :lol:

Why do you think all "first world" nations got rid of their birthright citizenship in the past 40 years?  Because it was abused.

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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: qman] * 1
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If Trump was going after Jews like he was immigrants he would sound a lot like Hitler did in his early years. This is interesting to watch


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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: qman]
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1st world or 3rd world, they are still nations.  Your statement was wrong.

Which 1st world countries have abolished birthright citizenship in the past 40 years?


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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
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VroomerMcZoomers said:
1st world or 3rd world, they are still nations.  Your statement was wrong.

Which 1st world countries have abolished birthright citizenship in the past 40 years?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli

Australia, France, Germany, Ireland, New Zealand, UK.

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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
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VroomerMcZoomers said:
How so?


Because there is a myriad of supreme court cases set as precedent and he cannot overturn those cases. Also executive overreach has some limitations.


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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: qman]
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Thank you.  That's very interesting.


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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: Seriously_trippin]
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Hey man, Im with you


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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: VroomerMcZoomers]
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It's good to have open minded debates and I appreciate  that exchange


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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: Citizen X]
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Citizen X said:
If Trump was going after Jews like he was immigrants he would sound a lot like Hitler did in his early years. This is interesting to watch


That is a really compelling point.

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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: MycoMinded] * 1
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:bigyesnod:


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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: Citizen X]
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If Trump was going after Jews like he was immigrants he would sound a lot like Hitler did in his early years. This is interesting to watch


Well, who do you think he's referring too when he mentions "globalists" and the "MSM"?

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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: qman] * 2
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I don’t know I’m not concerned with that.
I’m concerned with the rhetoric. If you listen to that earlier clip and substitute jew for Muslim it does sound a lot like Hitler did when he was on his political rise. IMO

If you want to talk about that then we can talk about it, but globalist, don’t care.
MSM - the attack on the media well, that just make him look more like an authoritarian


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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: Citizen X]
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The sad thing about Trump's authoritarian behavior is that the man is too dumb to realize he's doing it. It accidental. Astonishing, really.


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Re: Trump to end anchor babies through an executive order [Re: christopera] * 1
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christopera said:
The sad thing about Trump's authoritarian behavior is that the man is too dumb to realize he's doing it. It accidental. Astonishing, really.


Yep, one big accident, keep fooling yourself to protect that ego.

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