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Invisiblecarbonhoots
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Bush calls for Hussein's execution
    #2189051 - 12/19/03 12:43 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2189078 - 12/19/03 12:54 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

The Texacutioner calling for the death penalty?  No way!  I don't believe it! :smirk:


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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2189222 - 12/19/03 02:00 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

?I get my news from people who don?t editorialize,? he (Bush) said."

Perhaps you should do the same.


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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: ]
    #2189225 - 12/19/03 02:03 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Bush gets his news from his crooked, evil, manipulative Cabinet. I wouldn't reccommend turning to them for news.


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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: silversoul7]
    #2189233 - 12/19/03 02:07 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Where did I say he should use the same source as our president?

The link he posted was one of the worst examples of editorializing I have ever seen.

Pure and utter bullshit.  :thumbdown:


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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2189240 - 12/19/03 02:11 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Certainly Bush's childish crowing can do nothing but inflame the situation.


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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: ]
    #2189318 - 12/19/03 03:07 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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“I get my news from people who don’t editorialize,” he (Bush) said."

Perhaps you should do the same.




When did I say I get my news from those who do editorialize?

How do you know I'm not already doing the same?


Did you consider it possible that I posted this as an example of how some who call themselves journalists confuse the masses with their horrible editorials?

Why don't you restrict your comments to the ideas presented rather than assuming you know what I believe?

It would be more constructive in our search for the truth. Plus you wouldn't seem like such a pretentious prick.

The least you could do is suggest another source for getting facts, if this one is such bullshit. Do you get your news from a non-bullshitty source? If so, tell me where? That would be constructive at least. Just whisking it all aside still leaves nothing.

Surely you don't really have nothing to offer.


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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2189355 - 12/19/03 03:44 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

How can anyone criticize the US "handling" of Saddam. I heard someone refer to the televised checkup as Saddam being handled like a cow or some shit like that. Had Saddam not gotten a checkup by the US we would be accused of neglect or some crap. It is so infuriating. The US isn't going to "handle" Saddam. Just hold him until Iraq or an international court can have a trial.

So anyway, I was watching the history channel right before work and they were doing a show about Saddams life. After watching the show I don't think he should be executed. After a childhood like that anyone would be severely fucked up. They need to put a couple of Arab physiologists on him and try to get his head back on straight. Of course he would never see the light of day again but it would be interesting to see how his mind works.

What was Reagan thinking giving this guy chem/bio weapons in the first place. What a terrible black mark on a president I would otherwise consider to be good.


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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2189372 - 12/19/03 03:58 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Kill him, don't kill him... it's not my place to decide as he didn't do shit to me, personally.

He gassed the Kurds (isn't their motto something like "The Kurds have no friends"?), that's enough for me to step aside and say "do what thou wilt" (thou being the Iraqis, the Kurds, the UN/SA, whoever).


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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2189373 - 12/19/03 03:59 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Which bio chem weapons did the US give him? I know the anthrax cultures he received were from the US. Are cultures weapons? Alex123 doesn't think so.

Which chemical weapons did the US give him? Exactly zero. The US gave him no VX, no Sarin, no mustard gas, no tear gas.... nothing. Zip. Nada.

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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: Phred]
    #2189385 - 12/19/03 04:07 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think we gave him botulinum, anthrax (not sure if it was the "happy engineered" strain or not), and something else.

Saying such bacterial cultures aren't weapons is like saying the precursors to VX gas aren't weapons. It's technically true... but I think we're talking about potentials here, aren't we?


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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: Phred]
    #2189419 - 12/19/03 04:28 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

http://csf.colorado.edu/mail/psn/mar98/0002.html

"Britain's Channel Four television news said it found intelligence documents
>which showed 14 shipments of biological materials -- including 19 batches of
>anthrax bacteria and 15 batches of botulinum, the organism that causes
>botulism -- were exported from the U.S. to Iraq between 1985 and 1989.
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Another interesting article
http://rwor.org/a/v24/1161-1170/1165/us-iraq.htm
talks about the US playing the two sides off eachother to weaken both countries. The US worked with Iraq more but it sounds like we realized that Saddam was no great guy either and tried to weaken both countries. Trying to play both sides always leads to trouble. "In fact, according to the Times (1/12/87), "American intelligence agencies provided Iran and Iraq with deliberately distorted or inaccurate intelligence data in recent years." The motive, captured in the Times headline: "Keeping Either Side From Winning.""

It is a mad, mad world.


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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: Sclorch]
    #2189424 - 12/19/03 04:30 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Can't have it both ways.

The thing is, both anthrax and botulinum cultures are available from multiple sources. As it happens, the base cultures for his manufacturing program came from the US, but they could as easily have come from any university with a medical program anywhere in the world. Hell, in some cases they could have come from any of hundreds of veterinary supply houses.

As for the "precursor" argument...

Some of the precursors are things like chlorine and sulphuric acid. Others are commonly used for pesticides and other "dual use" functions. To blame the US (or any other country) for selling common chemicals which were later combined into VX and Sarin is ludicrous.

The simple fact is that the US sold him no bio weapons, no chem weapons, and precious few conventional weapons.

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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2189579 - 12/19/03 07:19 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

wow, i hope he does die. The world will be better if it happens.


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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: Phred]
    #2189599 - 12/19/03 07:48 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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The simple fact is that the US sold him no bio weapons, no chem weapons, and precious few conventional weapons.

pinky


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It sure is funny that last night on the history channel it talked about during the Iran war how the united states government helped Saddam manufacture Mustard Gas and Sarrin.


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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: psilocybinist]
    #2189788 - 12/19/03 09:49 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

iraq will never try saddam. because there is no iraq, just US occupied territory inhabited by a mileiu of ethnic iraquis.
no governing body at all that isn't completely american supporting in its intent (and content).
an iraqui trial would not happen for years and bush aint gonna wait that long for his "great justice", he will take off evry zig now that someone set up us the bomb.
how are you gentlemen.....
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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: Mitchnast]
    #2189794 - 12/19/03 09:55 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Oh god!


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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: carbonhoots]
    #2189821 - 12/19/03 10:19 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I don't find myself feeling sorry for Saddam in any way.






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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: Learyfan]
    #2189839 - 12/19/03 10:36 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Learyfan said:
I don't find myself feeling sorry for Saddam in any way.



Me neither, but I feel sorry for the poor schmucks who think we just caught the guy behind 9/11.


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Re: Bush calls for Hussein's execution [Re: silversoul7]
    #2189842 - 12/19/03 10:38 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Definitely. That's just sad.





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