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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Crazy_Horse]
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Lophosaurus said:
pacmanbreed said:
Crazy_Horse said:
They become a memory.


So you wont cry over their memory for the relationship is now voided biologically? For it is now only imaginary?


Are you religious because you're afraid of death and can't deal with losing people forever?


Getting older the lesser the fear.
I lost a little love one.
But is happy now.

Every biologocal concious mind has that weakness at some point..
Unless the biological brain can figure out the ultimate climax of evolution, for that biological immortality by selective selections, hopefully no unwanted mutations.

But ill rather be ascended and be with the love of mine.

Edited by pacmanbreed (08/04/18 01:38 PM)

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed]
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Yes, that would be wonderful if you met all your loved ones when you died, but that is magic and pretend and has no place in real life events. It's nice to think about and I guess some people need the promise of an after-life to keep going. That is why it is for the weak, the church preys on these people. Churches trade hope for money

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Lophosaurus]
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Lophosaurus said:
Yes, that would be wonderful if you met all your loved ones when you died, but that is magic and pretend and has no place in real life events. It's nice to think about and I guess some people need the promise of an after-life to keep going. That is why it is for the weak, the church preys on these people. Churches trade hope for money


How come i dont consider my self as weak?

And what are point of views interms of real life events?

Does life needs to revolve just around pure biological knowledge for it to become pure reality?
Is it Abuse for it brings happiness. Youll only live ones?

Yes it has something to do with my owm day to day real life decisions. For i lost that love one due to my own fuktard deeds when im younger..

:shrug: if i had that money your mentioning. Ill spend it for my love ones..
Not to someone with the elixir of biological immortality as if it is also possible.

For i dont need that money to learn.

Like ive mentioned earlier there is a  one true church that does wihtout a pay from this era of profilic CHURCHIANITY with man made scheme and lies.
Quote:
one reason of KNOWLEDGE suppresion.
Eg. the so called pastors & teachers who are still goverend by the UNSEEN, teaching/preaching thy WORD but doesnt live by the WORD.
For the greed of money they are demanding tithes 10% of our money to sustain their earthly vices and are Preaching to accept Jesus Christ w/o knowing a clue of his totality..

That tithes should be burried to the old testaments as they are not Levi.
For Jesus christ has new law and said:
-Second Corinthians, 9:7 - Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver.
-hebrew 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law

whats my purpose/benefit spending my free time in this spirituality forum.. is it for the money?
When our brotherhood knows that the apostle didnt recieved/get money from the gentiles? FOR the bowl of GOD is holy and shouldnt accept unrigthous money which is from vices(eg. Lottery) from thy UNLIGTHENED fellow.
Third John, 1:7 - because for the sake of the Name they went out, taking nothing from the Gentiles.


Edited by pacmanbreed (08/04/18 04:29 PM)

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed]
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Lophosaurus said:
Yes, that would be wonderful if you met all your loved ones when you died, but that is magic and pretend and has no place in real life events. It's nice to think about and I guess some people need the promise of an after-life to keep going. That is why it is for the weak, the church preys on these people. Churches trade hope for money


To each their own, but I think believing in the one life you have right here right now is way more enriching. It's really easy to dick around in this life and think you can make up for it in the next one. It's much harder to be present and remember that this is your one chance to make the most of what you've been given.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: waves]
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waves said:
lessismore said:
waves said:
Xerbia said:
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/08/02/500-renowned-scientists-jointly-share-why-they-reject-darwins-theory-of-evolution/

Interesting to see so many scientists changing their mind on the theory of evolution. Really gets your mind thinking about other ideas. Great topic to think about on some shroomies :wink:


Anybody who believes anything they read on that website is an idiot. Sorry, but there is no nicer way of saying it.


Do not judge, so you will not be judged.


Quote:
Here’s another great quote from one of the scientists, Chris Williams, A Ph.D., Biochemistry Ohio State University:


Is this one of the supposedly "renowned scientists"? Some totally unknown guy who happens to have a Ph.D from Ohio State?

Having a Ph.D DOES NOT make you a "renowned scientist".

That quote from 'Chris Williams' (if that is even a real person) is over 10 years old. So are all the other quotes on the website referenced (https://dissentfromdarwin.org/scientists/)

Sorry, not trying to be a dick. It's just pretty obvious that the original article and the website it is referencing are a complete load of bullshit.

And it's not even fresh bullshit. This garbage has been sitting on the internet for 10 years now.


I would make the claim that even renowned scientists you can not trust.
They often in for the money, the fame.

In fact many professional scientists are reputation building grabtailing weasels (copyright Mckenna).


That's how they get big in this world.


You can not trust any man, fully, but yourself. Not scientists eithr.

No matter how many clap him on the back, and fancy journals.


My friend, journals are faked all the time, even bought.

And if it is popular, I would not trust it either.... nature.com? Oh comeon.


Trust not popular things. The more popular, the more deceitful often. Popular is often a moneygame.

In fact I trust often less popular journals than popular ones.


Arxiv.org is wonderful, and many humble phds use it. They are not the weasels spoken of here, but truth is many scientists are weasels.


You can be an egoist, as a builder, as a scientist, or as a religious person.

Trust never any person fully, or any theory fully, or any science journal fully.


Unless said agrees with your own reasoning, even there be careful, for you could be wrong.


Man is often so far from God, he can not see very much at all.
Religious blindness.
Spiritual blindness.
Scientific blindness.
Political blindness.
Society blindness.


I would truthfully not trust any science field fully, neither our public school systems, nor educations/universities.

Nothing can be trusted fully.


Be careful with swearwords like bullshit, by using them you cause a distance to the one you are talking to, and thus no longer fully objective.


Nothing is bullshit unless it can be proven.
Your argument seems to have failed to me. The guy has a phd, and unless you have called the university, you have failed your argument here. Because you can not verify it online likely, if his phd is for real, or if his university is credited.

Hey fake universities are hard to spot.


Argumenting a phd is fake online, is a very hard thing to do, most uni people know.

And what university is credible? - someclaim they better for being from Harvard

Oh come on


Harvard, that is some pumped up egocentrical bullshit often I would say, many go there only for the prestige


A phd is a phd, if it is a real phd, usually


Prestige is for sure no guarantee.


You can not measure on a status title, if the professors are good teachers. The harvard ones may be the good/bad ones.


You can learn much or nothing with a phd.


But because it is a foreign (to you) university, does not mean it is bullshit.


If you do intl research, then a phd is a phd. You be accepted on the team. If your phd is a real one, from accredited university.


But then I again don't think you can know, unless calling in, and doing extensive research, the 2-5mins you used, I would not count as credible, to know if the phd/university is fake/accredited at all.

As said, it can be very hard to know,fake unis pop up all over the place.


I would give the guy the benefit of the doubt, unless I had real hard physical evidence.
After all he says truth: evolution is not steadyfast.

It just a theory, like any other theory.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: lessismore] * 2
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Thats a whole load of crap right there

People don't get into science for fame :lol:  and scientific knowledge is peer reviewed, its flexible and expendable as new insights are made. Unlike religious brainwashing material

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Repertoire89]
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Reminds me of the moral abc bullshit you see on the dr bronner's soap bottles...

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said:
Thats a whole load of crap right there

People don't get into science for fame :lol:  and scientific knowledge is peer reviewed, its flexible and expendable as new insights are made. Unlike religious brainwashing material


Prophets and teachers dont get to it also for fame.
So youll be brainwashed if you your self reads the bible?

I think both of science and scripture are dangerous at the wrong hands.
Its long written.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed]
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Nah, I read that trash multiple times and never fell for it, I'm too intelligent to be duped by infantile nonsense like that.

:teabird:

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said:
Thats a whole load of crap right there

People don't get into science for fame :lol:  and scientific knowledge is peer reviewed, its flexible and expendable as new insights are made. Unlike religious brainwashing material



Lol right? Peer review isn't perfect and there is no doubt that various interest groups use science in a malicious way. But distrusting science and scientists across the board is like distrusting your local family owned mexican restaurant because of the problems inherent to capitalism and corporate greed. You can find sociopaths in any profession. It's not a reason to distrust the entire profession.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said:
Nah, I read that trash multiple times and never fell for it, I'm too intelligent to be duped by infantile nonsense like that.

:teabird:


Then your too wise to undersrand a simple book.
-First Corinthians, 1:19 - For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, I will bring the discernment of the discerning to nothing."{Isaiah 29:14}

Edited by pacmanbreed (08/04/18 05:02 PM)

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: JacksonMetaller]
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JacksonMetaller said:
Repertoire89 said:
Thats a whole load of crap right there

People don't get into science for fame :lol:  and scientific knowledge is peer reviewed, its flexible and expendable as new insights are made. Unlike religious brainwashing material



Lol right? Peer review isn't perfect and there is no doubt that various interest groups use science in a malicious way. But distrusting science and scientists across the board is like distrusting your local family owned mexican restaurant because of the problems inherent to capitalism and corporate greed. You can find sociopaths in any profession. It's not a reason to distrust the entire profession.


Well said. As I also love science where it polishes it self for the facts.
As well as spirituality it is commanded to test all things.
Quote:
That why this is Commanded:
-First John, 4:1 - Beloved, don't believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
-First Thessalonians, 5:21 - Test all things, and hold firmly that which is good.
If yah have inhibitions, leave that false so called teacher.
For a sheep heareth thy tone/voice of their true sheperd.




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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: pacmanbreed]
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pacmanbreed said:
Repertoire89 said:
Nah, I read that trash multiple times and never fell for it, I'm too intelligent to be duped by infantile nonsense like that.

:teabird:


Then your too wise to understand a simple book.
-First Corinthians, 1:19 - For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, I will bring the discernment of the discerning to nothing."{Isaiah 29:14}


Too intelligent and too experienced, I've studied quite a few cults and yours is the least believable. A special brand of stupid.

Empty words "I am the truth and the best ever and the only one everything else is a lie and if you dont believe me you'll burn forever." Dumb as fuck 20:18

:curbyourenthusiasm:

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Repertoire89]
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JacksonMetaller said:
Repertoire89 said:
Thats a whole load of crap right there

People don't get into science for fame :lol:  and scientific knowledge is peer reviewed, its flexible and expendable as new insights are made. Unlike religious brainwashing material



Lol right? Peer review isn't perfect and there is no doubt that various interest groups use science in a malicious way. But distrusting science and scientists across the board is like distrusting your local family owned mexican restaurant because of the problems inherent to capitalism and corporate greed. You can find sociopaths in any profession. It's not a reason to distrust the entire profession.


You have not been Humbled yet Repertoire89.

You come off as superior to Religions. But merely one day, you will wake up, and realize each can have their own purpose. One can only hope. For you attack all my posts.

There is no excuse for judging others.

Science and religion can coexist, even be supported by the same person.



People it is not about distrust, it is just science fact,that no theory can be fully perfect.
Theories have boundary conditions. Outside boundaries they no longer fit.

Some have 34 constants, like big bang - I dont know how many it has, many..

If one changes, the theory becomes invalid.


The only thing I know is that I know nothing ~socrates


Our universe may be prone to change. To take any theory for granted, would indeed be naive.
It is not about distrust, it is about being realistic - trust no theory fully.

Because physical reality  may not be as we imagine it to be.


Science knows not it all yet.
It thinks it knows, and thus is why it fails at times.


All the good scientists, on the forefront, know they don't know.


The good mathematicians
The good physicists
The good biologists

They know they know very little.


And the more they study, the less they often know.


Some phds,professors are notorios for saying they know nothing at all. Or hope to be seen as mad.For being right was not what it was about.

Discovery is often from being wrong. Not right.


The value of speed of light has changed over time. As science has perfected its measurement tools. Many times has the constant been updated.


But it should not be possible to update it,change it.


But so it is. Nothing is given exactly in our universe. Quantum mechanics prevents it.
That is if you believe QM, I'm not sure I do. (Uncertainty principle)



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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: lessismore]
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I've been through quite a lot of violence, exposure to the elements, disease, injury, starvation and poverty. Almost died on a number of occasions, but I'm not a weak ignorant fool, I don't need to hide behind a book and live according to some fake morality out of fear of a fake deities retribution.

I'm a real person and I'll live as I see fit, fuck Socrate's hypocritical ass too.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said:
pacmanbreed said:
Repertoire89 said:
Nah, I read that trash multiple times and never fell for it, I'm too intelligent to be duped by infantile nonsense like that.

:teabird:


Then your too wise to understand a simple book.
-First Corinthians, 1:19 - For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, I will bring the discernment of the discerning to nothing."{Isaiah 29:14}


Too intelligent and too experienced, I've studied quite a few cults and yours is the least believable. A special brand of stupid.

Empty words "I am the truth and the best ever and the only one everything else is a lie and if you dont believe me you'll burn forever." Dumb as fuck 20:18

:curbyourenthusiasm:


:kimjongil: feels badass
I didnt knew you believed forever?
Is it included in your cults?

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said:
I've been through quite a lot of violence, exposure to the elements, disease, injury, starvation and poverty. Almost died on a number of occasions, but I'm not a weak ignorant fool, I don't need to hide behind a book and live according to some fake morality out of fear of a fake deities retribution.

I'm a real person and I'll live as I see fit, fuck Socrate's hypocritical ass too.


Yourself is your own sorroundings and your own environment.
-Hebrews, 3:11 - as I swore in my wrath, 'They will not enter into my rest.'"{Psalm 95:7-11}

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
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Repertoire89 said:
I've been through quite a lot of violence, exposure to the elements, disease, injury, starvation and poverty. Almost died on a number of occasions, but I'm not a weak ignorant fool, I don't need to hide behind a book and live according to some fake morality out of fear of a fake deities retribution.

I'm a real person and I'll live as I see fit, fuck Socrate's hypocritical ass too.


You are judgemental and generalizing. For sure.

You have a superiority complex there, think you are God - all knowing, better knowing than others.

Not humbled at all.

You are not God.

You just think you are.


You generalize all religion in one there, because you judge people.

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: lessismore]
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There is no god

:curbyourenthusiasm:


Fuck yeah I judge people, and your feeble minded protests won't change a thing

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Re: Evolution is still all speculation [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said:
There is no god

:curbyourenthusiasm:


Fuck yeah I judge people, and your feeble minded protests won't change a thing


Its your own choice to all believe in your own-self.

Repertoire89 said:
I've been through quite a lot of violence, exposure to the elements, disease, injury, starvation and poverty. Almost died on a number of occasions, but I'm not a weak ignorant fool, I don't need to hide behind a book and live according to some fake morality out of fear of a fake deities retribution.

I'm a real person and I'll live as I see fit, fuck Socrate's hypocritical ass too.


Yourself is your own sorroundings and your own environment.
-Hebrews, 3:11 - as I swore in my wrath, 'They will not enter into my rest.'"{Psalm 95:7-11}

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