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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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How is a vacant building a tax shelter? It's a hard expense


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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: Ole Field Trashe] * 1
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Ton's of homeless in Downtown Olympia. It's pretty sketchy. They set up camps until the cops shoo them away. Kind of sad they break down there tents and just set up shop somewhere else.


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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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tyrannicalrex said:
They need to utilize some of the abandoned/unused buildings that are in every city (the ones that all the rich real estate people own as a tax shelter anyway, the ones that just sit empty) and kill the laws on personal amounts of all drugs, take the DEA task force people and put them in charge of rehab facilities for the homeless, and funnel the billions of drug money they have from busts, not to mention the funding to bust people, and make those places centers for integrating the homeless people back into society. Also start programs that are run by the homeless people going around to different restaurants and stores and distributing the expired (but still good) food back to those places as a job. Recycling and reusing tons of resources that are already there, but they are just trashed and wasted.



You know, sometimes the simple solutions seem obvious and easy but the hurdles can be huge to overcome.

For instance, my girlfriend used to work at a gourmet grocery store and every tuesday and friday she had the task of discarding all the bread that was expired or about to expire. Most of it was still totally fine but the store chose to discard it instead of mark it down. 30-40 loaves at a time of all sorts of gourmet breads.

She was directed to throw it in the dumpster and then to lock the dumpster so that homeless people couldn't fish it out of there.  She questioned this practice and found out that it was due to health laws and liability, whereby if they knowingly gave away expired food and it made someone sick, they could be sued.

My wife started laying down a few flattened cardboard boxes in the dumpster and putting all the bread on top of it and leaving it unlocked.  She made a few friends with a couple of the homeless fellows who would wait patiently out back of the store every tuesday for her to finish loading the bread into the trash. 

Her boss eventually found out what she was doing and they gave the task to the shipping/receiving guy, who could have just loaded and locked the dumpster but instead chose to load the bread in, spray it all down with a hose and leave the dumpster open... seemed a bit cruel to me.

There are lots of hurdles in the way from accomplishing even small, simple solutions to assisting the homeless.


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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: King Klick]
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Can't people write it off in some circumstances? I'm no tax law expert, but I've read some things that eluded to it.:shrug: I do know that the buildings not being used can become shelters, sure someone has to pay, but couldn't they write that off some?:shrug: It boils down to money and who pays of course, so some of the philanthropists (if not all) can funnel money there for a good cause, and there is billions of cash in storage I'm sure. Unless some of those drug bust people dipped, which you know some did, but I would bet there is millions.


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Edited by tyrannicalrex (06/23/18 11:54 AM)

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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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Most abandoned buildings become city property I believe. Depends on the place and yada yada. A tax write off is not money. It's not paying that portion of expense in taxes but whatever you're saving in tax credit you're still paying for with money. As far as small residential and commercial buildings go. Maybe in things like a football field where there's more money trails write offs are "a practical excuse". That's just my take on my limited knowledge though.


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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: Ole Field Trashe]
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Ahab McBathsalts said:
Medicine Hat in Alberta Canada went ahead and build housing for all the homeless. It's a fairly small city, but the economists figure it's way cheaper to give them housing than having them locked up in jail for property crime or having them stay in hospitals all the time.

It's usually a few chronic users of the healthcare system that cost a vast majority of costs. If you improve those health outcomes for them by getting them off the street it's way cheaper to give them houses. Hep C and other people with chronic conditions costs way more if you ignore them and people come in when they are in emergency distress than treating it regularly.

Chronic infections from living on the street and shooting puddle water drugs is mostly eliminated. The people using these houses mostly destroy them. There was a bit of outrage over them getting marble counters and shit, but you need durable materials that can be misused to a high degree.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/medicine-hat-homeless-free-update-1.3949030

Larger cities will have a harder time employing this strategy, but it really is the way to do it.



this times a million. Wow super insightful way of looking at it

Also; this is sort of why I disagree with full on legalization. I feel like some people just don't give a fuck. I like morphine/heroin maintenance programs. Some sort of limit as to how much and where and what times they can do it. Switzerland makes people have a full time job for 6 months before they get a morphine pass. I like that personally. I am not saying some black and white "put everyone who is addicted and homeless in jail". but some basic minimal bar needs to be satisfied

Edited by topdog82 (06/23/18 12:10 PM)

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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: King Klick]
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Abandoned buildings don't meet fire or electrical code. It would be a tinder box that would burn to the ground the first time a junkie falls asleep with a candle burning.

Congratulations you have just murdered all the homeless and solved the homeless problem.


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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: Ole Field Trashe]
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I am curious how many fires are caused by people nodding off with a cig or joint burning haha

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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: topdog82]
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They got me off the street. There are services that will help you out in socialist washington. Most of them can't stay sober to do it though. I lied through my teeth and got 1400 bucks. Plus there are ample places to sleep that aren't on the streets. I just got a call yesterday saying theres a place for me to sleep. Nah I have a place to sleep but thank you.

They take care of the homeless here if they can stay sober. Most can't though so it's a perpetual cycle of drugs and sadness. I'm lucky to have people that care about me. Most of them don't have anybody.


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"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

"In the days of kings and queens I was a jester."

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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
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yeah they do drugs because they're bored or they lose their job because they do drugs

homeless people are not homeless because of drugs
they're homeless because they don't see a way out of work and endless debt, so why should they slave away 200 hours a month for property they'll never own, when they can do it for 3 hours and just sleep in a  tent..

homelessnous is just a facet of our society, lower class people don't want homeless people do get the same perks as them, middle class people don't want lower class people to enjoy life like they do going out to eat and traveling, rich people don't want ANYONE living comfortably with out fear of going into the negatives

homeless people just want to kill and eat the rich people

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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: Konyap]
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You can't get a job without an address. It's a perpetual cycle. The homeless shelter is pretty nice here you can shower if you want to spend all day there. Most people just use it to hang out and chain smoke and trade drugs. I wanted to be off the streets. I've never been homeless before. I work to pay my way. It's nice that they helped me though as I'm hoping someone pulls the trigger. Shit I'll work for free the first day. You won't be dissapointed.

I'll work fast food if I have to. My resume is way better but anything to pay my rent and keep me off the streets.

I also get 200 a month in food money. Socialist Washington is awesome. Medicare, food, etc. I pay my taxes so it's not like it's not my money to begin with :lol:


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"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

"In the days of kings and queens I was a jester."

"And then the great lord created bears... too many bears... shoulda really dialed back on the bears." Squidbillies

"Can you start speaking words instead of your damn filthy lies!"- Louise "Bobs Burgers"

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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: Enjoywho] * 2
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This was a pretty good documentary on how mental illness and addiction is homelessness. You can't really separate the two or put conditions on sobriety if you really want to get people off the streets.


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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: Enjoywho]
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A lot of the problem with homeless is motivation. They have no motivation to work. They just want to be lazy and get free hand outs. Sure some are disabled in some way, but not all of them. Many people choose to be homeless by choosing not to work.

I think building some kind of prison like building without the prison guards and bars. Something super durable. But then it would probably get trashed from lazy bums pissing and shitting everywhere. It would be digusting. Thats why its build of concrete. And it would have a bunch of parking fields for people in cars to sleep. A homeless campground with a prison like building.


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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
A lot of the problem with homeless is motivation. They have no motivation to work. They just want to be lazy and get free hand outs. Sure some are disabled in some way, but not all of them. Many people choose to be homeless by choosing not to work.

I think building some kind of prison like building without the prison guards and bars. Something super durable. But then it would probably get trashed from lazy bums pissing and shitting everywhere. It would be digusting. Thats why its build of concrete. And it would have a bunch of parking fields for people in cars to sleep. A homeless campground with a prison like building.



I am curious about the percentage of homeless that sort of just don't want to work

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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Seriously, if you come from a well off family, you can afford to fuck up a bunch of times. Unless they. Fucking hate you or they're Christians and you're a fag, they aren't going to let you live on the street, if your parents have no extra resources, the situation is more dire.



My family is Christian and I'm a fag but they still took me in when my cunt of an ex kicked me out and I was homeless. And took care of all the doctors bills so I could get treatment after being homeless malnourished and mentally fucked.

That's like racial profiling dude. Being Christian doesn't automatically make you an asshole.


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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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I don't have the time right now but will post later.

I spent 18-23ish on and off homeless and met dozens of homeless people of all ages; will make some anitodcal comments later.


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Edited by TNK (02/22/22 22:22 PM)

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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: TNK]
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I see you have dyslexia.

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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: passifloracaerulea]
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Denmark is a good example of what to do, whatever they are doing.

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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: Psilosion]
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https://invisiblepeople.tv/category/face-and-voice-of-homelessness/?mobile_switch=mobile

"Invisible people" is a Utube channel that interviews homeless people in the US, Canada and EU. Lots of good people on hard luck. It's becoming an economic issue today. Here's just one interview.


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Re: The big homelessness question? [Re: qman]
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Just mile after mile of homeless living in tents, this is just one part in California.


Edited by qman (06/23/18 09:25 PM)

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