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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: sweeper54]
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sweeper54 said:
Have you heard anything from Mueller Team?

NO!

They are circling around 'little hands' like a big silent Anaconda and he's going to choke the shit out of this whole administration.

Ryan's going to end up president.


You really think Ryan is not involved?

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Paul Hammer and Sickle Ryan said:
    “I’ll guarantee you that’s what it is…The Russians hacked the DNC and got the opp [opposition] research that they had on Trump,” McCarthy said with a laugh.

    Ryan asked who the Russians “delivered” the opposition research to.

    “There’s… there’s two people, I think, Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy said, drawing some laughter. “Swear to God,” McCarthy added.

    “This is an off the record,” Ryan said. "No leaks... alright?" Continuing "This is how we know we're a real family here."

Scalise: "That's how you know we're tight."

Ryan: "What's said in the family stays in the family."


A family. Like a crime family. It doesn't stop at the top, it's not just trump. There's a reason the GOP is complicit, there's a reason McConnel refused to investigate this, make it public, and said he would go against Obama if he released the intel in 2016 when Obama brought it to him concerned about Russian interference. It's because major GOP members are involved. Read the rest of the transcript, there's more before that, and this is old news.

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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: Enlil]
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/prosecutors-say-longtime-manafort-colleague-has-ties-to-russian-intelligence/2017/12/04/201ae098-d93e-11e7-b1a8-62589434a581_story.html

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Federal prosecutors asserted Monday that a longtime associate of Paul Manafort, the former chairman of President Trump's campaign, has been "assessed to have ties" to Russian intelligence — the first time the special counsel has alleged a Trump official had such contacts.

The statement came as prosecutors working for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III withdrew their support for a joint bail deal filed last week that would have released Manafort from home detention and GPS monitoring while he awaits trial on charges including money laundering and fraud.


How do these guys know so many russian operatives? Fal is the only one I know.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
diab said:
Trump must be impeached, but if not, violently overthrown will do. This country needs a rising-up, workers against the elite psychopath pedophiles who control, dominate, abuse, harvest, rape and murder normal human beings for fun. They do not see normal human beings AS human beings - they say so, they admit it. Eric Trump admits "I don't even see them as people." He's referring to liberals who criticize him or his father but that's how he views people - as unpeoples, untermenschen, subhuman. Not-people, who exist only to get fleeced, fucked or killed. Trump's whole family is riddled with this philosophy of nihilistic psychopaths and so is his political party. The only way they will ever stop is by force. That is the only language they understand. They don't understand logic or reason, and certainly don't understand basic human rights or compassion or love. They know only power and money, and those are their idols. They worship false gods, corporations, which are non-corporeal quasi-legal entities summoned to harvest money and protect their summoners from liability. Trump and his minions are literally servants of demons (lust-demons, power-demons, wealth-demons).


Good speech, but America elected Trump.  We either need to elect someone else next time or accept him.


It is like saying, "Good speech, but America's king is George. We either need to hope for a better king next time or accept him." We need to revolt. The alternative is authoritarian fascism, kleptocracy, plutocracy, dictatorship, totalitarianism. All these things.

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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: diab] * 1
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Yeah, why would you say that Fal? I can see saying that if the investigation turns up no evidence, but whether you think they will find anything or not don't you think it's important we actually investigate to conclude that? I believe Trump is guilty but assuming he's not how would I and people like me ever know and feel confident if it did not have a fair and independent investigation showing so? I don't see why everyone would not agree with that.

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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: krypto2000] * 2
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koods said:
How do these guys know so many russian operatives? Fal is the only one I know.


Trump would be jealous if his team was as close to the Russians as Obama's team was.



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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: krypto2000] * 1
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krypto2000 said:
Yeah, why would you say that Fal? I can see saying that if the investigation turns up no evidence, but whether you think they will find anything or not don't you think it's important we actually investigate to conclude that? I believe Trump is guilty but assuming he's not how would I and people like me ever know and feel confident if it did not have a fair and independent investigation showing so? I don't see why everyone would not agree with that.


Huh?  I said we shouldn't violently overthrow the elected President.  I didn't say was should stop the investigation.


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Well, no matter, Trump's lawyer declared that Trump can't have obstructed justice because he's the president. Trump's goons will agree that he is above the law and the dictatorship will begin in earnest after the impeachment is fired.

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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Yeah, but to say "Trump won, we need to either elect someone else next time or accept him" nullifies the investigation. If his presidency is illegitimate we not only don't have to accept him but we shouldn't accept him if we have any integrity in our democracy.

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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
koods said:
How do these guys know so many russian operatives? Fal is the only one I know.


Trump would be jealous if his team was as close to the Russians as Obama's team was.




They're trading stories about their kill list


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: koods] * 1
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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: koods]
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koods said:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/prosecutors-say-longtime-manafort-colleague-has-ties-to-russian-intelligence/2017/12/04/201ae098-d93e-11e7-b1a8-62589434a581_story.html

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Federal prosecutors asserted Monday that a longtime associate of Paul Manafort, the former chairman of President Trump's campaign, has been "assessed to have ties" to Russian intelligence — the first time the special counsel has alleged a Trump official had such contacts.

The statement came as prosecutors working for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III withdrew their support for a joint bail deal filed last week that would have released Manafort from home detention and GPS monitoring while he awaits trial on charges including money laundering and fraud.


How do these guys know so many russian operatives? Fal is the only one I know.


Trump's been hanging out with professional criminals from the former Soviet Union for a few decades now.  :shrug:

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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: chibiabos]
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Speaking of the former Soviet Union... I found this pic today



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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: koods] * 1
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AND?

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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: krypto2000]
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krypto2000 said:
Yeah, but to say "Trump won, we need to either elect someone else next time or accept him" nullifies the investigation. If his presidency is illegitimate we not only don't have to accept him but we shouldn't accept him if we have any integrity in our democracy.


Do you think what the DNC did should have remained a secret?  Do you prefer secrecy and corruption to transparency and honesty?

And do you think people voted for Trump because they gave a shit about the DNC?

Hillary lost for many reasons, and the DNC isn't one of them.  She's a war hawk, she's a corporate crony, she's a liar...  Trump sucks too, but he won.


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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Yes. It's private correspondence. How many people are gonna come out looking squeaky clean if their emails or texts were published for the world to see. But if it's about transparency, then the 2016 election was a joke. One side had all their dirty laundry aired while the other side wouldn't even disclose their fucking tax returns.

The DNC hacking handed Trump the win. He only won by 1% in the states that put him over the top. You really gonna try and say that the leaks were so inconsequential that they suppressed less than 1% of democratic voters from voting for Clinton? Delusional.

I'm sorry. I realize Bernie voters were upset, but in the end they stayed home or handed their vote to a dead end candidate and Trump won. Politics is about being pragmatic, not being so fucking principled that you fuck yourself in the ass when you help elect a guy who will take away your healthcare, redistribute even more wealth to the top 1%, sell of public lands to the highest paying polluter, and just generally ruin this country's standing in the world.

The most disgraceful part is that liberals fell for the the right's half decade long smear campaign against Clinton. Fucking played.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (12/04/17 11:45 PM)

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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Do you think what the DNC did should have remained a secret?  Do you prefer secrecy and corruption to transparency and honesty?


Yes. It's private correspondence.


So you must be outraged over all the leaks to the Washington Post regarding the Trump investigation that you always post, right?

koods said:
The DNC hacking handed Trump the win. He only won by 1% in the states that put him over the top. You really gonna try and say that the leaks were so inconsequential that they suppressed less than 1% of democratic voters from voting for Clinton? Delusional.


I don't know a single person that voted for Trump because the DNC favored Hillary, but if you're right, isn't the lesson here for the DNC to stop cheating?

koods said:
Politics is about being pragmatic, not being so fucking principled that you fuck yourself in the ass when you help elect a guy who will take away your healthcare, redistribute even more wealth to the top 1%, sell of public lands to the highest paying polluter, and just generally ruin this country's standing in the world.


I agree.  I voted for Jill Stein only because I knew Hillary would win California.

koods said:
The most disgraceful part is that liberals fell for the the right's half decade long smear campaign against Clinton. Fucking played.


Was it the right that forced Hillary to accept millions from the big banks and hide her speeches to them from the general public?  Was it the right that made her cheer for more war in the Middle East?


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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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So you must be outraged over all the leaks to the Washington Post regarding the Trump investigation that you always post, right?


When did the post print stolen personal and business correspondence? Last time I can think they did that is when they printed emails hacked from the DNC and John Podesta. The post generally gets info from people who are involved in the stories being reported and have access to the documents being provided. For three months, there were daily releases of stolen documents - releases that were designed to inflict damage to the Clinton campaign.

Ask yourself this... If these hacks were really about providing transparency about the inner workings of a private organization like the DNC, why were they withheld until it was too late to help Sanders? Some of those documents had been stolen in mid 2015. Plenty of time to shed light on the fact that staffers made snide comments about sanders in private emails. Oh my. What a scandal.


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I don't know a single person that voted for Trump because the DNC favored Hillary, but if you're right, isn't the lesson here for the DNC to stop cheating?



It's just naive to think that a national party doesn't have it's preferred candidate. They can do what they want. I really don't see any evidence of cheating. Saturday debates are not cheating. Clinton got more votes. It's as simple as that.


I don't know anyone who was going to vote for Clinton that voted for trump. But I know A LOT of people who decided to not vote. That they were too principled to vote for the lesser of two evils. Well, grow the fuck up. The world is messy and you rarely are afforded perfect choices. I'm damn sure that Clinton was a much better choice than a fucking con artist whose fraud trial was scheduled to begin three weeks after Election Day.


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: koods] * 1
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to be fair, I went into election season vowing not to vote for clinton or bush.  I wasn't about to go back on it just because bernie got fucked and trump wiped the floor with jeb.  I would actually prefer that trump and the republicans burn the whole shithouse down right now to a slower neo-liberal decline.  It might force americans to either shit or get off the pot with regard to driving these dinosaur parties to extinction.

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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Ask yourself this... If these hacks were really about providing transparency about the inner workings of a private organization like the DNC, why were they withheld until it was too late to help Sanders? Some of those documents had been stolen in mid 2015. Plenty of time to shed light on the fact that staffers made snide comments about sanders in private emails.


RT.com election coverage was more favorable towards Sanders than Trump in the runup to the election.  This seems to indicate that it wasn't Russia that leaked the emails; it was probably an internal whistle blower who was either against corruption or for Bernie.

koods said:
It's just naive to think that a national party doesn't have it's preferred candidate. They can do what they want.  I really don't see any evidence of cheating. Saturday debates are not cheating. Clinton got more votes. It's as simple as that.


Ok.  You've just destroyed your own argument that the leaks helped Trump.  :shrug:


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Re: Koods was right (again). Flynn goes down and will implicate Trump [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czhSzmxN3WU

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