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World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications
    #391039 - 09/11/01 08:00 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

What are your thoughts.... if we find out who is responsible, assuming its a country, do you think that we are going to go to war?

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: shellacct]
    #391044 - 09/11/01 08:06 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

The stock market is closed for today.

I think war may begin soon.

And martial law may be declared soon.



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #391047 - 09/11/01 08:08 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, i have a REALLY REALLY bad feeling about this.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: shellacct]
    #391055 - 09/11/01 08:15 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Fucking hell......I just heared about it on the news....what with the Pentagon hit as well, terrorism has GOT to be the main contender...........

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: zhukov]
    #391057 - 09/11/01 08:17 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, i know.... i don't like the government, or some of its laws, but THIS IS TOO FAR. I SAY... GOD DAMN!

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: shellacct]
    #391085 - 09/11/01 09:02 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Someone has to die. It's that simple. if we find out what group is responsible the country that is harboring them should be held responsible. I want them dead. and i want them to suffer. I want them to pay with blood. I'm am so pissed right now i can hardly think. I have many relatives that live and work near there and am taking this personal. I am sick and tired of our inability to keep these assholes out of our country. This is why i am for isolating (to a point) our country from the rest of the world.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Innvertigo]
    #391088 - 09/11/01 09:04 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i agree entirely... people thought what mcveigh did was bad, and that he deserved to die, but i can ensure you that this is AT LEAST 5 times worse, in regards to lives and money...if EVER, ****EVER**** the death penalty WITH THE ADDITION of torture is deserved... NOW, ABSOLUTELY ****NOW**** is the time for it.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: shellacct]
    #391100 - 09/11/01 09:24 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I know ALOT of people are having trouble getting onto the news sites to see this stuff, so here is one of the pics from the MSNBC website.





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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: shellacct]
    #391141 - 09/11/01 10:06 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Has anyone considered American citizens doing this ?? It happened in Oklahoma City



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #391148 - 09/11/01 10:17 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i highly doubt it. It was bombed as well in 93 by the cowardly muslim groups

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Innvertigo]
    #391154 - 09/11/01 10:25 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

?? So the Tim McVey was a scapegoat? Sound awful 'conspiracy theory' to me



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #391158 - 09/11/01 10:37 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Scapegoat? Where did you get that dumbfuck idea?

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Innvertigo]
    #391165 - 09/11/01 10:44 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

What dumb fuck idea?? I assume that's what your saying, by posting that Oklamhoma was bombed in 93 by muslim groups..read your own posts...and chill out...



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #391169 - 09/11/01 10:50 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

He's talking about the World Trade Centre bombing a few years back, not the Oklahoma one.l

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Scratcher]
    #391173 - 09/11/01 10:52 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I am ir he is?? So, who is the dumb fuck?? And does this really matter at the moment anyway??



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #391174 - 09/11/01 10:54 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

the trade center was bombed in 93. Noone brought up the Oklahoma bombing you did.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #391175 - 09/11/01 10:55 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Actually, I think Innvertigo was saying that the World Trade Center was already bombed by an Islamic group in '93. Oklahoma was bombed in '95 by Americans.

I don't know about any of you guys, but I think this must have been funded and planned by a nation, or at least a terrorist group with the support of a nation. This was too well timed and planned. I believe this wasn't an attack by an American group because the use of planes for terror has typically been used by supposed Islamic terrorist groups. Also, since the the World Trade Center had been attacked before by an Islamic terrorist group, it makes sense that this attack would also be by another (or same) Islamic terrorist group.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Innvertigo]
    #391179 - 09/11/01 10:57 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, I did it to make the point that everyone in America were so quick to point out that the Oklamhoma city bombing was the act of Muslims, when it turned out to be an American citizen - And that maybe we will find parallels with this and the current disaster - i brought it up, you got nasty... no more to say gramps...



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: shellacct]
    #391180 - 09/11/01 10:59 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Oh shit! we'll be going to war soon...
I bet it was those fucking muslims that did this!!!
Now there's gonna be trouble...
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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #391183 - 09/11/01 11:04 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

****no more to say gramps****

you mean you were saying something that made sense?

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Innvertigo]
    #391184 - 09/11/01 11:05 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

No, I was saying that you said something that clearly didnt...After all, you were replying to my post...



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #391186 - 09/11/01 11:11 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Anyone hear the Tom Clancy interview on CNN? He right about our national principles. I hope we don't start hassling Muslims merely because they're Muslims, and don't start jumping to conclusions and pointing fingers at nations without good info. Last thing we need are even more enemies, especially within our own country. I hope we can peacefully capture the culprits so as not to stoop to the terrorists' level, but with Dubya in the saddle and statements like "hunt down those responsible" I think there will be more bloodshed before this is all over.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: Jimi Thing]
    #391197 - 09/11/01 11:32 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I agree. I think we need to find out first. Unfortunatly when a specific group of people consistantly cause this type of crime they will be the first one's to be blamed and 9 out of 10 times it will be correct. As i said in the beginning if we find out what country is responsible they should be made to suffer. I live a few miles away from Dearborne MI, which is the 2nd largest concentration of arabic people in the world outside of the middle east. I, as well as others are not blaming those people as they have nothing to do with this. The people i hold responsible are those that agree with this disgusting, cowardly type of crime.

****but with Dubya in the saddle and statements like "hunt down those responsible" I think there will be more bloodshed before this is all over.****

If we do "hunt" down the right people with the right intelligence then i hope they are tortured and made to suffer...but only if it's proven that they are the ones responsible. This is not a political (within the US) issue

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: shellacct]
    #391226 - 09/11/01 12:12 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Damn this shit is all over the news here. Now I will miss my
favourite tv show because of some shit in a foreign country.
They canceled the show to send news, that sucks.



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: Innvertigo]
    #391244 - 09/11/01 12:31 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

To bad you dont live in the middle east Invertigo a lot of people here have your mindset. Of course you would have to be anti american but you could even get to kill people and beat them up. That would be cool in macho sort of way. Pluss there are much better punishments. People have their hands removed for stealing and such. You would like it. Not like pussy american society.



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    #391273 - 09/11/01 01:03 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Your an asshole.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: Innvertigo]
    #391287 - 09/11/01 01:14 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

we need to find out who did this and turn their country into a parking lot.



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: cyclone]
    #391413 - 09/11/01 03:51 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

man i dunno. i saw it all happen live on tv. saw how the moderator slowly realized how this first plane was just the tip of the iceberg. how that was more. how the fear came. just now i kind of prayed for all those people eventhough i normally don't pray. the usa might be doing a whole lotta stuff wrong. but if we don't realize that hatred produces hatred we are never going to get out of that circle. i just hope the world wakes up soon enough.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: cyclone]
    #391424 - 09/11/01 03:59 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

The Nazis came to power in Germany after they burned their headquaters and blamed it on their opponents. Osama Bin Laden was originally armed and financed by the US to use Islamic fundamentailsm to destabilise the Soviet state. The bombers who attacked the World Trade Centre in '93 were trained and supplied with explosives by FBI handlers Every major war that the US has got involved in recently has been initiated by incidents involving fabrication and deceit. Clearly the US State and the arms industry will be the only ones to gain from this.



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: mm.]
    #391464 - 09/11/01 04:54 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I'll be livid if this is allowed to slip through the net. Whether this was a strike by the middle east, or from within the US being made to look like the middle east the fact remains that these pissant terrorist countries need to be carpet bombed. If the US government had to do this to cause a global feeling on the issue then it's sick, but it's an effective method of causing feeling that leads to long overdue strikes on these people. These other countries are unfortunately full of innocents, but it's these innocents that get corrupted into becoming supporters of terrorist activity. The sooner the West smashes the life out of this incessant antagonistic race the better. I'm sure they have the same idea about the Western world, but it's got to end somewhere and while I'm a fully paid up member of the Western world I'm going to be here (or there) supporting the descision to destroy every last one of these fuckers.

Feel free to flame me, I know that it's a narrowminded view. I reserve the right to be narrowminded every once in a while. Making statements like the above is intellectually weak, I saw that as I was typing it, but this is pure emotion and I'm not going allow that expression to be tempered by my realisation that retaliation can only lead to a nightmare scenario. This is my raw humanity, as imperfect as the aggressor. I do not envy those in positions of power because they have so much responsibilty towards those they govern, so much pressure from the human masses to act primal, and yet if they sway to the pressure and enter the pissing contest they are doomed to being labelled as reactionary and unfit to govern.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: Everlast]
    #391492 - 09/11/01 05:27 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

okay, emotion here, emotion there.
but extinguishing races is not narrowminded, but nazi-like. let's never ever get there again.
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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: ykk]
    #391542 - 09/11/01 06:19 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I do like the Carpet bombing idea, however.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: cyclone]
    #391591 - 09/11/01 07:02 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Would that be a glass covered, self-iluminating parking lot?

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: Innvertigo]
    #391646 - 09/11/01 07:40 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Your a sad arsehole - '9/10 times it will be muslims' - fuck i hope they weren't so racist arseholes like you will not be vindicated...Carpet bomb your conservative arse and do us all a favour gramps



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #391712 - 09/11/01 08:39 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

hate to disappoint you little man but i'm not a conservative.....and it's spelled asshole not arshole...you'd figure you'd know how to spell it since you have such a passion for speaking out of it.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: Innvertigo]
    #391816 - 09/11/01 10:22 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

hate to nit-pick but i just feel i should come to BMs defense since im here; "arse" is the australian equivalent of "ass"



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: shellacct]
    #392003 - 09/12/01 02:51 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

If a country is responsible, then I think yes, you are going to war. From what I saw of the news coverage last night, it seems your millitary has already said that. Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm saddened by the fact that Tony Blair has basically said that if you go to war, we will follow. I am all for helping America, but his is not Britains fight and I think the political repurcussions of this could be extremely detremental to us.

Having said that, I don't think a country is responsible for this. I think it's the work of an underground terrorist organisation, and unless they admit to it, tracking them down is going to be extremely difficult. There are many such groups with the capability and desire to carry out such attacks. Was it a palestinian group? A group liked to Osama Bin Laden? An internal American group? All are possibilities.

Those of you who are advicating carpet bombing are no better than the terrorists IMHO. This is a politically motivated attack, which unfortunately many innocent people were caught in. Yes, the target of the world trade centre isn't directly a political target, but this is the way terrorists work. By going to war, or carpet bombing, you would also be killing many innocent people for political reasons or revenge. Revenge may be sweet, but is worse than the original attack, as there is no real motivation other than self satisfaction .

You must also think of the political consequences of such action. If this attack is in someway related to Osama Bin Laden, which I believe is the current 'favourate' theory, then by bombing afghanistan, do you think that would be the end? Iran, Iraq and many other middle east countries will side with Afghanistan, and this could lead to WW3. Some of these countries have nuclear capabilities, and I certainly would not put it past them to use them.

Yes, what happened was a real fucking shame, and I totally beyond forgiveness, but what needs to be addressed is who did this, and WHY they did this. Only then will itr be possible to take action to ensure this doesn't happen again. Millitary retaliation will only lead to the suitation being worsened, and far more innocent people's lives being lost.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Phyl]
    #392021 - 09/12/01 03:49 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Simply not retaliating will just go to show that if you bomb America you can get your way! I believe America must tear the testicles off anybody who is even remotely involved with this. After that maybe its time to reconsider American economic imperialism and the 'dont-give-a-fuck-about-the-rest-of-the-world' attitude that afflicts America.

But If it comes to war then rest assured Britain will stand shoulder to shoulder with you guys. We owe you an eternal debt for your support in WWII that will never be forgotten. Now lets find out who did it and inflict on them a wave of suffering and misery unprecedented in the history of everything!!!

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    #392071 - 09/12/01 06:35 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

hahah! Im a pretty small six foot two...Please dont panic - no need to batten up the old trailer home mate... And I am sorry you have demonstrated ignorance yet again - In God's given English, it is spelt 'arse' - and ass is a horsey thing



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Phyl]
    #392082 - 09/12/01 07:07 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, i don't blame you actually.... i kind of think that this is America's problem this time, and we should take care of it ourselves.... i mean DON'T GET ME WRONG, all of our countries should stick together and all, and I am flattered by all the countries that said they will back us up if war erupts, but we really shouldn't drag anyone else into this. I mean blowing up US buildings is pretty bad.... but if terrorists start going to Canada, England, Australia, etc., etc, i really don't think thats fair that their citizens get killed for us throwing our own weight around. Just my opinion. Actually i am highly considering moving to either Australia or Canada... fuck this terrorist shit, and besides, the fact that we are always going after other people's shit has always got me thinking we're gonna get ourselve's nuked someday anyways.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #392107 - 09/12/01 07:32 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

the thought has crossed my mind.... the same thing happened with the OK city bombing.... they blamed bin laden for that..... but this just doesn't seem the style of a US group, i mean we do have suicide attacks (Columbine)..... but they are far and few.... it really sounds like an arab type group.

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    #392479 - 09/12/01 03:47 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Proper english is not one of Aulstrailia's stronger traits. And here in the US it's pronounced ASS...and this is an american site...

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: Innvertigo]
    #392629 - 09/12/01 05:59 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I thought it was a Canadian site. (As in ownership etc.)
I think it is hosted by an american ISP tough, but does that make it american?
After all this is the global internet, where server location is more of an
question about where the cheapest hosting fees are to be found.
It would rather be a matter of ownership and those two seem to
be living in Canada. So is it a Canadian site then?

You could also have meant it in a lingual context tough.
But even tough everybody here writes in english, many are not american.
So the proper term would be english and therefore you probably did not
mean it to be interpreted in that way.

I personally like to see the Shroomery as more of an international site
(rather than stricly american), spreading shroomy knowledge across borders.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: Innvertigo]
    #392661 - 09/12/01 06:28 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

> Proper english is not one of Aulstrailia's stronger traits.

That's obviously a statement written by someone who clearly understands the idea of a language.



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    #392711 - 09/12/01 07:17 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

wow look who decided to join the conversation.

I understand that which i have learned. You my friend are still struggling with the inability to understand reality (past debates). When you have won that battle feel free to comment further.

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    #392717 - 09/12/01 07:20 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

sorry if it's hosted in the US it's a US site. That's beside the point, the only reason i brought it up because those who use the word arse sound like a retard

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    #392718 - 09/12/01 07:23 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

that's why they have treaties. If you don't want to follow treaties then drop out of NATO...not you persay but countries that are "afraid"

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    #392785 - 09/12/01 08:17 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Reality reality reality...



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    #392824 - 09/12/01 08:57 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I just wish that people would stop blameing US political parties for this crisis. People are to blameing this event on a lax atitude for the military and saying that we need a stronger arms force etc.... Well how the hell can raiseing my taxes for more bombs and soliders going to stop a person from walking up to a pilot and saying "stick 'em up... I will drive"...? And others are blameing this on George DWI Bush.... Well I for one think that we all have to back our President in these times. (despite my strong Democrat sided beliefs) We cant be blameing George Bush, Clinton or George W. Bush... I mean Im sooo tired of of it. The ememy hates Americans. Both partys could of paid more attention to the #1 wanted teriost and taken him out before all of this happen. I dont care if we need to put soliders on the planes.... AIRPORT SECURITY SCREWED UP BAD! So I do support: #1: Arming the pilots. #2: Reasearch into the possibilty of technology that would allow our goverment to remotely pilot any reported, or asumed hijacked airplane with Presidential aproval. #3: If possible- building skyscrapers out of steel that can restand the heat of a burning plane.



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Jammer]
    #392869 - 09/12/01 09:37 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

No it's George "Nose Candy" Bush.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Innvertigo]
    #392935 - 09/12/01 10:33 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

well, whats fair about carpet-bombing? the people responsible will be holed up in some bunker a half mile underground, while the innocent citizens die. personally, i think they should do what it takes to get the guy responsible, torture him till he renounces his religion and says what he did was wrong (to prevent any martyr status), and let the whole thing go. of course, no torturing will go on (at least the public wont hear about it), and getting the guy responsible would be a problem in itself... guess thats what wars about huh? punishing the innocent citizens for the crimes of their rulers.



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: MrKurtz]
    #393023 - 09/13/01 01:34 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Acording to European websites, plans are allready being made for tens of thousands of ground troops going to Afgan-land. I dont feel that the retailation is going to be mearly bombing for the very reasons that you sighted. Americans will risks their lives any day in a ground war over the bullshit that we all have been hit with. Unlike 'nam, allmost 90% of Americans polled see the attacks as an act of war. In other words: THIS AINT NO GULF WAR. We will have no hesitation sending in ground troops.



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: Innvertigo]
    #393041 - 09/13/01 02:16 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

The internet is international, it doesnt belong to any country. By the way, the correct spelling is arse,
people who say ass sound like wankers.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Phyl]
    #393068 - 09/13/01 03:51 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

In a previous reply:

(MY REPLY ON THE BOTTOM).....

"I am all for helping America, but his is not Britains fight and I think the political repurcussions of this could be extremely detremental to us."

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MY REPLY:

Here is an American's opinion: Your country was effected. This is your fight as well. The BBC reports that hundreds of your people were killed in this mindless horseshit. The media reports that a large insurance company from your country will be "hit" (need to pay for claims) extremely hard. And, most likely we can agree, that we seem to share the same enemies (no matter what either of our goverments do different).

AS THE AMERICAN GOVERMENT HAS STATED:


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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Jammer]
    #393085 - 09/13/01 04:58 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Hi Jammer,

I'm not saying we should take no action, I was specifically reffering to war. I do not believe this conflict can be effectivly solved through violence. As I have said, I will support America in any non-violent responses to this, but I simply cannot agree with sending British millitary to fight what is essentially an American fight. Yes, some British were involved and were killed, but that does not make it an attack against us. If the attack was made my a middle eastern terrorist group, it is because of American foreign policy in the middle east.

This attack was politically based, and so a political solution is the only truely effective way to solve this. Yes, violence against the originating country may hurt the terrorist group, but will ultimately lead to more hate for the America and the west in general, which will divide us further and will lead to MORE terrorist attacks on us. You just need to look at the situation in Israel to see how a poor culture, which feels it is being oppressed will respond to military power. Terrorism is their only option, and this can be extremely difficult to defend against, as there is know way of knowing who your enemy is.

I can fully understand why so many of you want to launch attacks on the terrorists. It's a natural response and revenge is sweet, but to believe that this will be effective in controlling the terrorists is naieve. It's not the people who are the problem, it's their beilefs, their upbringing, and their entire culture, and as a supposedly 'civilised' nation we cannot condone the genocide of an entire culture, as this would put us on par with the Nazi's.

What need to be addressed is WHY whoever did this felt they had to, and then work to overcome these differences. This will not be easy as this is a very complex situation, but if the west were to acknowledge the beliefs of the terrorist organisation, and agree to at least hold talk under the guarentee of a cease fire from both sides, then real progress could be made.

I agree that whoever carried out this attack or anyone who was involved in any way needs to be hunted down and brought to justice. This means being brought to the US to stand a fair trial, and be punnished accordingly. After all isn't this an integral part of the system that we are all so eager to defend?

I know many of you do not agree with my opinion on this, but this is the way I see things, and I make no apology for this. Perhaps I would see things differently if I lived in the US and was more directly affected by this attack, but I honestly doubt it. The major outrage about this event is over the huge ammount of deaths of innocent civillians, and I fail to see how war, which will lead to even more civillian deaths can make this right. Make no mistake about it, if you go to war many American will be returning home in bodybags.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: MrKurtz]
    #393103 - 09/13/01 05:54 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i agree with the torturing, however i disagree on the bombing...an eye for an eye

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implicat [Re: madscientist]
    #393104 - 09/13/01 05:56 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

and those who use the word wanker sound like a little fag..he he..wanker..you must be to use that word

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Jammer]
    #393142 - 09/13/01 07:07 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Here's an interesting quote which I thought was relevant:

"I fear all I have done is awakened a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve."

- Admiral Yamamoto after Pearl Harbour.

Sounds like it could be deja-vu, do you think??

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Innvertigo]
    #393176 - 09/13/01 08:09 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I can tell by the fact that you always have the last say, that you seem quite insecure... It is not everyone else's fault that your genitals are so infantile...
No seriusly, if you caould torture someone, would you do it??



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: zhukov]
    #393180 - 09/13/01 08:16 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I thought of this one on my own which is pretty similar:

Osama Bin Ladin:

WE HAVE BLODDIED THE NOSE OF THE SLEEPING GIANT, HOWEVER THE GIANT IS NOW AWAKE --- WHAT DO WE DO NOW?

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    #393182 - 09/13/01 08:19 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Do you enjoy talking about men's Genatalia? Sounds to me that you are insecure about your sexual preferences. People talk different --- get over it --- asshole in any language means the same thing (and yes in the US we do spell it ASS)

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    #393720 - 09/13/01 08:11 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Im only insecure about my sexuality when macho guys like you speak dirty to me... And why do you guys have to continually demonstrate your ignorance??



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    #393734 - 09/13/01 08:22 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds to me that your the one that's ignorant gay-boy..ha ha...YMCA..c'mon sing it Y-M-C-A

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    #393818 - 09/13/01 09:49 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

well, i just recommended the torture because it worked so well in the middle ages.. heh. i mean, you dont need to watch the guy getting tortured, its brutal business, but if you get the desired end results, whats so bad about it? the guy has killed thousands of american citizens, i dont even think him being tortured for the rest of his natural life would be enough. i am pretty much opposed to war... but i guess you gotta pick your battles, and this is as good a reason as any to start a war. if 90% of americans are behind a war (and im guessing military personal are 100% behind it) then hell, the people have spoken, they want blood. heh, first real war since nam... thats the first war that probably 95% of the shroomery has been old enough to participate in. if i get drafted, so be it, but at this point i definately wouldnt enlist... ah well, im rambling, i suppose everyone got my point.



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: MrKurtz]
    #393937 - 09/13/01 11:34 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

hahah Gay Boy !!! Man I guarantee that while Im sleeping with my girlfriend, you are on net-to-phone with your old, crusty little cock and big fatarse trying to get off... Ever seen that shit?? All these old fat cunts with moustaches standing there naked from inside their trailer homes... Gives you a great idea of who im talking to in these posts...
Go back to sleep you silly old cunt, and when you have a clue come back...
And as for the other 'MR.Patriotic American fuckknuckle' who just had to get his two cents in about some crap involving how you spell the word arse, you sound like a real hero - lets kill everybody - i bet your the kinda guy that we used to pick on in school - you know the dweby little freckled skinny fucker with slick-down hair...



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    #394075 - 09/14/01 06:17 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

c'mon gayboy..get real.

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    #394086 - 09/14/01 06:37 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

there you go talking about male genatalia again. You must like them something fierce. Sounds like you need to get a room with a penis or something. Maybe gay-boy is a better more appropriate title than "Ali Gs Yardie"

As for your girlfriend, i'm sure all of us are sleeping with her.

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Harry_Ballsonia]
    #394776 - 09/14/01 11:10 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Well, Ive been considering that, but it just doesnt quite have the same ring to it... What a pity eh??



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #394779 - 09/14/01 11:15 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Actually Ballsoni, I think my girlfriend mentioned something about feeling a strange mosquito bite or pin-pricking sensation on the outside of her vagina, but she went back to sleep - maybe you've been trying to sleep with my girlfriend - and other girls your whole life, but they always ask you if its in yet, when you tell them you've finished :-)



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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: shellacct]
    #875949 - 09/11/02 01:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: shellacct]
    #875985 - 09/11/02 02:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

1 year since terrorists took retribution for policies pursued by the American ruling elite:
1 imperialist conquest complete; 1 more immediately pending.

Patriot Act passed-Homeland Security Department etc.,
1,200 immigrants & 2 citizens detained w/o rights.

military presence +16 countries as of 1 year ago

happy anniversary


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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: shellacct]
    #15061928 - 09/11/11 10:09 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Bump.














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Re: World Trade Center Attacks..Political Implications [Re: Learyfan]
    #15299019 - 10/30/11 11:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's probably one of the worst 911 threads the Shroomery had...


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