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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze] * 1
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Whats your point? That nations with more social programs have higher taxes?

Breathtaking.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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and lower median incomes.

so, i've established that denmark at least has a higher tax rate and lower income rates.
(http://checkinprice.com/average-minimum-salary-copenhagen-denmark/)

what have you established? a pipe dream?


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze]
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I dont see that in your link.

I found one comparing the US and Denmark across a bunch of economic factors, but this one doesnt list median household income either.

http://www.demos.org/blog/10/20/15/united-states-vs-denmark-17-charts


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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The Ecstatic said:
I dont see that in your link.

I found one comparing the US and Denmark across a bunch of economic factors, but this one doesnt list median household income either.

http://www.demos.org/blog/10/20/15/united-states-vs-denmark-17-charts




those don't mean shit when the cost of living is almost twice as high....

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Denmark/United-States/Cost-of-living


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
How bout you come landscape my yard instead. I'll pay you one penny for every leaf raked.


wow, making fun of my penniless Socialist-Canada citizenship having ass? :nonono: oh no, don't do that. you panderer.

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze] * 1
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face it bro, single payer is going to make us slaves to the state.

the fact is you accept it with open arms.

we are 100% opposite. you are for government control, i am for individual freedoms.

time to get off the tits of someone or something else and find your own way


Now post your ideal model of single payer country and post the income tax and median income. I've asked for this like 3 times but you keep waffling the question you say is too easy to prove me wrong.

:underage:


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Edited by keyser_soze (09/15/17 07:53 PM)

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze]
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keyser_soze said:
The Ecstatic said:
I dont see that in your link.

I found one comparing the US and Denmark across a bunch of economic factors, but this one doesnt list median household income either.

http://www.demos.org/blog/10/20/15/united-states-vs-denmark-17-charts




those don't mean shit when the cost of living is almost twice as high....

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Denmark/United-States/Cost-of-living


So are you gonna source your claim or just keep crying about me not sourcing mine (ballsalsa's)?


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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i'm sorry you didn't notice the link posted directly underneath...that you quoted.


quit waffling.

:underage:


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze] * 1
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Uhh the one thag says Denmark is 11th in monthly disposable income and the US is 12th?

Pretty amazing considering all the things the Danish get from their tax dollars and dont have to go out and purchase with that disposable income.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Uhh the one thag says Denmark is 11th in monthly disposable income and the US is 12th?

Pretty amazing considering all the things the Danish get from their tax dollars and dont have to go out and purchase with that disposable income.



way to cherry pick.

i bet danish pastries are cheaper there too.

remember the 25 percent sales tax added on top of those prices compared to the average US sales tax.


USA= less taxes, more wage, lower COL

Denmark = Higher taxes, less wages, higher COL

but i digress, please post your country of choice or continue to waffle.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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living standards also come into play.

check out average living space for those countries.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze]
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keyser_soze said:
:rofl:

he's still waffling. hard.


Post a single payer country's income tax rates and median income.


Median wealth seems more relevant than median income

I'll do the legwork for you and Supply the data for the umpteenth time when I get home from work.

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: ballsalsa]
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thank you, ecstatic spokesman.

a real debate instead of hurr durr's and durr hurr's


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult
Median wealth per adult:
Belgium:$154,815
U.S.:$44,977

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate?continent=america
Tax Burden:
Belgium-personal income tax-53.70%
U.S.-personal income tax-39.60%


So, even though Belgians pay far higher income tax, the median wealth is more than 3X higher than in the U.S.
Why do you think that might be?

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
akira_akuma said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
does that mean akira agrees with Bernie's approach to Medicare for All?


it means it can be done but only with cutting unnecessary spending, and reallocation therefrom.

is this libertarian? yes, it is. but Fal keeps wanting to la-dee-da, look at my chart! :snowman:


that's just basic math.

And it has NOTHING to do with libertarianism; quite the opposite in fact.  Show me a libertarian website that supports Medicare for All...


you're so full of shit. "show me a website that....!121!!@!!"

why should i? no one is even making such an argument.


YOU said Medicare for All can be done " with cutting unnecessary spending, and reallocation therefrom and then said "is this libertarian? yes, it is"

THAT'S why you should back up your own claim that this is libertarian.

akira_akuma said:
a website? how about wiki Social Libertarianism, or check out THE FUCKING VIDEO I TOLD YOU TO CHECK OUT ALREADY, instead of lashing out....it's in the General News Thread, like i said.


I didn't see the part where it said Medicare for All is libertarian.

akira_akuma said:
PS: basic math my asshole. stfu, this isn't just "the math this study shows says that some assholes think this math adds up to 'you have to change your view on what's righteous for the nation to do' because wages went up, and no, i'm not going to take anything else into account.'


Triggered!  I was agreeing with YOUR point that in order to pay for Medicare for All, we need to cut unnecessary spending and reallocate money; that's just basic math.  Now you're saying I should stfu about YOUR math?  Dude, you need to get out of troll mode and into discussion mode (if it's possible for you).

akira_akuma said:
fuck this "socialist is pure goodness and capitalism is pure evil!" mentality. hypocritical and false garbage.


I've said MANY times I'd take capitalism with a nice hint of socialism over communism.  :shrug:


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
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ballsalsa said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult
Median wealth per adult:
Belgium:$154,815
U.S.:$44,977

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate?continent=america
Tax Burden:
Belgium-personal income tax-53.70%
U.S.-personal income tax-39.60%


So, even though Belgians pay far higher income tax, the median wealth is more than 3X higher than in the U.S.
Why do you think that might be?


BAM!!!

Do you see that keyser?  They pay MORE taxes, but are WEALTHIER because they pay so much less for things their taxes pay for.

THAT'S the point we keep telling you that you claim you're not smart enough to understand.


Edit:  Again, not everyone comes out ahead this way...  the billionaires paying the most taxes lose a little (but they're still billionaires).


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (09/15/17 11:39 PM)

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
ballsalsa said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult
Median wealth per adult:
Belgium:$154,815
U.S.:$44,977

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/personal-income-tax-rate?continent=america
Tax Burden:
Belgium-personal income tax-53.70%
U.S.-personal income tax-39.60%


So, even though Belgians pay far higher income tax, the median wealth is more than 3X higher than in the U.S.
Why do you think that might be?


BAM!!!

Do you see that keyser?  They pay MORE taxes, but are WEALTHIER because they pay so much less for things their taxes pay for.

THAT'S the point we keep telling you that you claim you're not smart enough to understand.


Edit:  Again, not everyone comes out ahead this way...  the billionaires paying the most taxes lose a little (but they're still billionaires).


look, i know you would like nothing more than to write the word bam in 15 font again but

higher taxes =/= higher median wealth

individual financial responsibility is the reason.



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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze]
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are you saying that Belgians are individually more financially responsible than Americans?

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
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Not just Belgians, but all these socialist countries with higher median wealth?

Country                        Median Wealth
                                    Per Adult

1. Australia                  $193,653
2. Luxembourg            $153,967
3. Japan                      $141,410
4. Italy                          $123,710
5. Belgium                  $119,937
6. United Kingdom      $115,245
7. Iceland                    $ 95,685
8. Singapore              $ 95,542
9. Switzerland            $ 87,137
10. Denmark              $ 87,121
11. Austria                  $ 81,649
12. Canada                $ 81,610
13. France                  $ 81,274
14. Norway                $ 79,376
15. Finland                  $ 73,487
16. New Zealand        $ 63,000
17. Netherlands          $ 61,880
18. Ireland                  $ 60,953
19. Qatar                    $ 57,027
20. Spain                    $ 53,292
21. United Arab Emir.  $ 47,998
22. Taiwan                  $ 45,451
23. Germany              $ 42,222
24. Sweden                $ 41,367
25. Cyprus                  $ 40,535
26. Kuwait                  $ 40,346
27. United States        $ 38,786


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
are you saying that Belgians are individually more financially responsible than Americans?


yes. that is exactly what i am saying.

also, median wealth doesn't really mean anything when everything is priced 2-3x higher than average. you think they are ahead but they are breaking even.

they need more money to live the same standard of living.


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