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PNW forest fire caused by teens throwing fireworks
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http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/09/05/woman-witnessed-teen-tossing-firecrackers-into-gorge-there-was-a-whole-group-of-kids-who-found-it-funny-to-do-this/



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Portland resident Liz FitzGerald witnessed a teenage boy throwing the firecrackers that are believed to have sparked a wildfire now tearing through more than 10,000 acres of the Columbia River Gorge. She alerted police.

This afternoon, Oregon State Police announced that the suspect is a 15-year-old boy from Vancouver, Wash.

FitzGerald first told her story to Oregon Public Broadcasting this morning. She then gave a detailed recounting of the events of Sept. 2 to WW.

Here's her account of what she saw.

"It was 100 degrees in town and I wanted to be in some water. Some friends of mine had gone up to Punch Bowl [Falls] about a month earlier and I'd seen video of them jumping in the waterfall and it looked awesome to me.

I decided to go up there because of the water and the last time I had been up there was 20 years ago because the trail is kind of sketchy and made me nervous because of the 400 foot drop.

I went up and saw the sign that said the trail was closed at 3 miles because of the fire.

When I came up to 1.5 miles up the trail, I came upon a large group of teenagers. They were kind of flanking the trail and I walked right in between them. I was standing right next to one of them who was filming and about four people away from me I saw a young boy lob a smoke bomb down into the ravine.

I said 'Do you realize how dangerous it is what you just did? They have the trail closed up ahead because of a raging wildfire.' I wanted to underscore the severity of what they just did. I said 'This whole area is so dry.'

They didn't say anything. And after he lobbed it I thought I heard a couple of girls giggle and the guy just filmed it like it was no big deal. And then they just continued down the trail.


I continued to walk up. I looked and saw smoke coming up from the smoke bomb and I just thought it was just from that. It was kind of crazy but I still had it on my mind about getting up to the water. I walked another two minutes or so and I thought 'If I get stuck in a wildfire because I was so determined to get to this watering hole, I would feel like a total idiot.'



Right when that came to me, I saw this couple coming down from the mountain and I said to them, 'I just saw a teenager throw a firecracker down into the ravine and I think its smoking.' And they said 'Yea, we saw them up at Punch Bowl lighting off firecrackers.'

I turned around and I started running down the mountain and I ran past where I had seen them and I looked down and at that point it was huge amounts of smoke and I could smell that the forest was on fire.

I just ran down the whole mountain telling people as I came by them that there was a fire. I told them 'I saw someone throw a firecracker, and it is smoking. I think it's on fire, I saw smoke, I don't know for sure that its on fire.' Because I didn't see flames but I saw billowing smoke and could smell the fire.

I kept running down and I don't know that people were heeding my call.

I passed the teenagers at that point. It was a smaller group of maybe seven or nine. Just as I was passing them I said 'Do you realize you just started a forest fire?' and the kid said, 'Well, what are we supposed to do about it now?' And I yelled over my shoulder 'Call the freaking fire department!'




I ran to the parking lot, didn't see anybody, started running through the parking lot and came across law enforcement. I said 'I need to report, I think there's a fire. I saw a kid throw a firecracker and I saw all the smoke.' He immediately called it in.

He then started getting my story and as I was telling him I said 'Can we move and get to the trailhead because I'm afraid they're going to get into one of the cars parked closer to the trail head and I don't want them to just drive away.'

We started walking, and it was about twelve paces that we took, and I saw a minivan go by. It was all tinted windows in the back windows but I saw the female in the passenger side and I did not recognize her but she had an expression on her face that looked like she was getting away with something. She looked like she was having fun and she was excited about getting away. That's what my gut told me. I looked at them and I said 'I think that they're in that car.'

He said 'Are you comfortable getting in the car with me?' and I said 'Yes.'

We ran to the law enforcement car and we jumped in and he turned on the sirens. And the kids blazed through the parking lot with all these pedestrians and kids and stuff walking up to get to the trail.


The law enforcement officer is obviously delayed because he isn't wanting to mow people over. We can't see the minivan and then we can see them. Just as we were getting onto the onramp to the I-84 heading east he was right on their tail and they pulled over.



I had described the kid that I had seen throw the firecracker, caucasian, five-foot-six, fit, brown hair, shorts, he either didn't have a shirt on or he was wearing a muscle tee or something.

The Forest Service guy was interviewing the kid in front of the car I was in and I couldn't hear anything he was saying. The Forest Service guy came back to the car and looked at me expectantly and I said I can't say for sure if it was him because this kid was wearing a blue t-shirt.

So, that kid went back into the minivan and another kid came out of the minivan and I had never really seen the other kid. Then he [the Forest Service officer] came back and I said 'I don't really recognize him' and he said 'Well, he just confessed that it was them who did it.'

Then the state patrol came. I went back to my car to get my phone and came back and at that point state patrol was there asking them questions. And I gave my report.

Then we were looking over our shoulder and could see smoke. We could see that it was full-on a fire and the smoke was just billowing up.




I felt like I was having a nightmare and I still feel like I am because they had no reaction that I could see. I don't know these kids but just looking at them… and when they walked down the mountain, when I came upon them they were walking a very casual pace down the mountain.

I felt like I was in a nightmare because these kids were not reacting the way I felt normal people would react. It was all very frustrating.

I really felt like it's not just that one boy that lobbed it. He had a friend that filmed it. There was a whole group of kids who found it funny to do this. The girl's expression as she drove by. None of them seemed at all to understand what they were doing.

When I sat and watched the kids being interviewed by the police, I don't know what they were feeling but I got a glimpse of at least one young woman or girl who looked like she was just hanging out like it was just any other day."




Seriously, teach your kids better then this everyone... If the parents end up having to pay for all the damages I bet those kids will be grounded for life.

People need to be way more careful, even tossing cigarette butts has started countless fires, but throwing fireworks around the woods in the summer?

:doublefacepalm:


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


Edited by musiclover420 (09/06/17 01:55 PM)

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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: musiclover420] * 1
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Seems like nature wants to wipe out the US


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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: Patlal]
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A bunch of jokes, with a grain of truth in each.

The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

What will be, will be. :pipesmoke:

Edited by psychobla (03/23/18 12:47 PM)

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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: psychobla]
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Patlal said:
Seems like nature wants to wipe out the US



This was started by reckless teens so it's not really nature. Though we do get plenty of wildfires every summer anyways :shrug:

psychobla said:
The Pacific Northwest and the Amazon are the only two rain forests on the continent.

Not stoked about the impact on air quality in the northwest... but we may be overdue for a good burn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_use_of_fire



Interesting read, it sounds like they were pretty smart about their burns though.

:strokebeard:


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: musiclover420]
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what are teans?

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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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Mad_Larkin said:
what are teans?



Teens spelled wrong :lol:


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: musiclover420]
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it kind of reminds me of the video of the kids watching the guy drown in florida. you scratch your head, zero empathy, zero concern for the possible harm they just caused, nonchalant blatant idiocy.


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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: musiclover420]
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Teenagers are the worst breed of animal on the planet.

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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: DieCommie]
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We should lock people ages 13-18 up in some sort of compound.


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Edited by TNK (02/22/22 22:22 PM)

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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: DieCommie]
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ReposadoXochipilli said:
it kind of reminds me of the video of the kids watching the guy drown in florida. you scratch your head, zero empathy, zero concern for the possible harm they just caused, nonchalant blatant idiocy.



Yeah it's pretty fucked up. The women who reported them even told them they started a forest fire and they had this gem to say:

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the kid said, 'Well, what are we supposed to do about it now?'



:wellidunno:

DieCommie said:
Humans are the worst breed of animal on the planet.



Fixed*


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: psychobla] * 3
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psychobla said:
The Pacific Northwest and the Amazon are the only two rain forests on the continent.



But the Amazon is on a different continent.

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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: psi]
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psi said:
psychobla said:
The Pacific Northwest and the Amazon are the only two rain forests on the continent.



But the Amazon is on a different continent.



Why are N and S America considered different continents? :confused:

Seems stupid Europe and Asia would be considered single continents but America is split up in two...

Here is the definition of continent:
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any of the world's main continuous expanses of land (Africa, Antarctica, Asia, Australia, Europe, North America, South America).



How are Europe and Asia not "continuous expanses of land"? :lol:

I never cared much for geography so maybe I am missing something but it seems like a stupid way to map things.


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: musiclover420]
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There is a historical reason for it, revolving around the development of civilizations and exploration in that area in the past.

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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
There is a historical reason for it, revolving around the development of civilizations and exploration in that area in the past.



It still seems pretty illogical to me :lol:


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: musiclover420]
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Sure.  Lots of things in our naming schemes, conceptual catagorizations,  and language itself are a result of historical perspectives and inertia.  There is no logical reason to spell knife with a "k", but that is how it developed.  Organically over time rather than logically with modern perspective.

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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: musiclover420] * 1
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musiclover420 said:
psi said:
psychobla said:
The Pacific Northwest and the Amazon are the only two rain forests on the continent.



But the Amazon is on a different continent.



Why are N and S America considered different continents? :confused:



The historic reasons for the distinctions can be a bit arbitrary, but in this case there's a good justification, they are two different tectonic plates. The North American plate includes some stuff we don't think of as north America though (a chunk of Siberia).

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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teans throwing fireworks [Re: psi]
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:thumbup:

Yeah tectonic plates make more sense, thanks for enlightening me :tongue2:


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teens throwing fireworks [Re: musiclover420]
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That little shit needs to at least be locked up for life.  He is old enough to know better than to do such a stupid and dangerous thing.  There is no reason to punish the parents by making them pay any money. The dumb fuck kid should be put in jail for life.  There is no fixing stupid and assholish like that.

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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teens throwing fireworks [Re: California]
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California said:
That little shit needs to at least be locked up for life.  He is old enough to know better than to do such a stupid and dangerous thing.  There is no reason to punish the parents by making them pay any money. The dumb fuck kid should be put in jail for life.  There is no fixing stupid and assholish like that.



I don't think life in jail is really any better then charging the parents. He definitely should be punished to learn his lesson though.

Some of the comments on the article have the best idea I would say, he should be forced to do community service fighting fires and working on the cleanup.

That will show him how much damage he caused by being stupid, seems a much better way to teach a lesson then lock him up in jail for years or put the parents in obscene debt.


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Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky

You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: PNW forest fire caused by teens throwing fireworks [Re: musiclover420]
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Lessons wont be learned IMO. These kids are shit and will be for the rest of their lives.

I dont believe punishment "improves" people.

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