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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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There is transgenders in the British army one's a WO2 in rank. she/he works within ATO.

For the most part people don't have a problem with transgenders being in the military, and I don't have a problem either, unless it indirectly was going to potentially harm me or anyone around me. I.e by putting a physically weaker women that couldn't do ALL the job requires in my section.

Now I'm speaking from a British Army stand point, maybe Americans are less tolerant of transgenders in their military?


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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: WestCoastOG]
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The British still have an army?  Who knew.


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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
Mad_Larkin said:
that seems far from established, i havent seen more than a few pointless sentences out of you this entire thread.


you're nothing but assumptions and predilections made out of a disdain for reality.



not an argument

akira_akuma said:
women can serve, hence they should serve. a woman's regiment doesn't sound out of the question


of course women CAN serve. dolphins CAN serve, dogs CAN serve; they don't make the best soldiers though.


akira_akuma said:
however- although, of course, no one has asserted that women should be on "the front lines" (when has this happened since Vietnam and Korea? proxy wars in middling Mesopotamia have no front lines).




it was a figure of speech, i think you knew that. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just using specious semantic arguments in order to feel like you'd 'schooled" me.

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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: Enlil]
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It's more of a militia now. We stopped being a standing Army when our numbers dropped below 100k.


Yhey appparently hope to bolster the 80k troops with 20k reservists to call on when needed, a bit like the US reserves.

Thankfully i left after my last tour of operation in 2014.

I will not have to see an influx of rusty people who never get the time or money spent on them to master their discipline.


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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: WestCoastOG]
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WestCoastOG said:
Anything to contribute?


Yes. Why is it that this particular topic has you so easily roused? Is it personal for you?

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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: 1234go] * 1
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Great way to contribute. well done.


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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: WestCoastOG]
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you asked for him to make a contribution, you didn't stipulate that it should be a good one.

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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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I expected greatness, all i got was sub par.


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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: WestCoastOG]
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Lol, I was simply asking a question. Striking nerves left, and right with you.

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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: WestCoastOG]
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ROTC is what you need to worry about for rusty, not reserves. At least not here in the U.S. though I admit I knew reserve soldiers during a time of war so it could be very likely they train more intensely then rather than now. But IIRC they spent a shit load of their "free time" training and every day keeping fit, ready to be called on. That's one of the things that (supposedly) makes our military so great. We have thousands, hundreds of thousands, ready to deploy within the day.

And we have hundreds of thousands more that can back them up.


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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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Mad_Larkin said:
it was a figure of speech, i think you knew that. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just using specious semantic arguments in order to feel like you'd 'schooled" me.


a figure of speech? well, an argument should be impeccable, should it not? and are you not trying to "school" people here with your rhetoric? no?

Mad_Larkin said:
not an argument


sure it was. why do people think they can just summarily invalidate an argument by calling it semantic? um...no shit? it's called logic and language...that's semantics. and yes, it was a semantic argument...you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

akira_akuma said:
women can serve, hence they should serve. a woman's regiment doesn't sound out of the question


Mad_Larkin said:
of course women CAN serve. dolphins CAN serve, dogs CAN serve; they don't make the best soldiers though.


is that the argument now? who makes the best soldiers?

who does? certainly not most of the people in the army. they mostly are incompetent. it's why they need leadership.

again...you don't know what you are actually talking about.

my argument is simple: woman can serve, hence they are useful. if the argument is "should only the best soldiers be used", well, then it should be said that the best soldiers are usually in active duty as those whom lead, command, and train new soldiers. your logic here would be quite regressive, indeed. i'd refute it simply- but let's not go there- let's just presume that you didn't know what you were talking about.

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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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1234go said:
Lol, I was simply asking a question. Striking nerves left, and right with you.


If you struck a nerve I'd be more vile than i am now. You made me laugh, as did a few of the other responses to the actual topic.

CookieCrumbs said:
ROTC is what you need to worry about for rusty, not reserves. At least not here in the U.S. though I admit I knew reserve soldiers during a time of war so it could be very likely they train more intensely then rather than now. But IIRC they spent a shit load of their "free time" training and every day keeping fit, ready to be called on. That's one of the things that (supposedly) makes our military so great. We have thousands, hundreds of thousands, ready to deploy within the day.

And we have hundreds of thousands more that can back them up.


We have reservists here and have done sinze the 1800's, they were just named the Territorial Army back then.

The problem with the UK is that all a reservists has to do is 60 days a year for their obligation, and pass all their level 3 MATT's, the regular army trains to a much higher standard and more frequently, the British army when going on operations has to take reservists with them, it is apparently the way they want to implement them. I served with 3 on my first tour and 2 on my last tour. They could do a job, but would i let them be a number 3 on the 105. Probably not, just down to the fact they rarely get to fire live rounds at charge super. Hopefully that changes in the years to come and their skill set is more refined.


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Fresh 2019 seeds soon - of Tasmanian poppy seeds unwashed and viable for trade.
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TIME WASTERS GET BLOCKED

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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: WestCoastOG]
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Well the U.S Army reserves advertises only "2 weekends per month" spent in training but I think they're talking about a very specific set of training and it doesn't include inspections and tests and drills. Shisty American business. The dudes I knew spent almost every weekend at base or doing drills.

Again though that was a while ago. They could keep it closer to the 48 days they promise, but I have no doubt they pull more. Military is like any other business, any other tough business where you fucking up could get someone killed, it's going to pull far more out of you than it will ever ask for up front.


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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: akira_akuma]
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WestCoastOG said:
I expected greatness, all i got was sub par.


got any war stories? i'm not one of these disrespectful goons. i'd be interested to know how many hajjis you've killed.



akira_akuma said:
Mad_Larkin said:
it was a figure of speech, i think you knew that. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just using specious semantic arguments in order to feel like you'd 'schooled" me.


a figure of speech? well, an argument should be impeccable, should it not? and are you not trying to "school" people here with your rhetoric? no?

Mad_Larkin said:
not an argument


sure it was. why do people think they can just summarily invalidate an argument by calling it semantic? um...no shit? it's called logic and language...that's semantics. and yes, it was a semantic argument...you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

akira_akuma said:
women can serve, hence they should serve. a woman's regiment doesn't sound out of the question


Mad_Larkin said:
of course women CAN serve. dolphins CAN serve, dogs CAN serve; they don't make the best soldiers though.


is that the argument now? who makes the best soldiers?

who does? certainly not most of the people in the army. they mostly are incompetent. it's why they need leadership.

again...you don't know what you are actually talking about.

my argument is simple: woman can serve, hence they are useful. if the argument is "should only the best soldiers be used", well, then it should be said that the best soldiers are usually in active duty as those whom lead, command, and train new soldiers. your logic here would be quite regressive, indeed. i'd refute it simply- but let's not go there- let's just presume that you didn't know what you were talking about.


you're all over the place. i can't even be bothered. i do think you should refute me simply though, it's got to be preferable to that gibberish screed you just spouted.

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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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Inspections and tests and drills are exactly what they are doing on the weekends.

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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
Mad_Larkin said:
the military ought to be an elite fighting force, not an all-inclusive club.


It never has been one, though.  It has always been the last resort for a bunch of slackers out of high school.


Every veteran I've worked with has been the biggest joke. Even ones who were air force and educated. despite being warriors they still, by order of magnitude, got out worked by stoner kids.


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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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That is exactly the usual question, I dodged it then and will chose to dodge it now :P


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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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Mad_Larkin said:
WestCoastOG said:
I expected greatness, all i got was sub par.


got any war stories? i'm not one of these disrespectful goons. i'd be interested to know how many hajjis you've killed.



akira_akuma said:
Mad_Larkin said:
it was a figure of speech, i think you knew that. i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just using specious semantic arguments in order to feel like you'd 'schooled" me.


a figure of speech? well, an argument should be impeccable, should it not? and are you not trying to "school" people here with your rhetoric? no?

Mad_Larkin said:
not an argument


sure it was. why do people think they can just summarily invalidate an argument by calling it semantic? um...no shit? it's called logic and language...that's semantics. and yes, it was a semantic argument...you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

akira_akuma said:
women can serve, hence they should serve. a woman's regiment doesn't sound out of the question


Mad_Larkin said:
of course women CAN serve. dolphins CAN serve, dogs CAN serve; they don't make the best soldiers though.


is that the argument now? who makes the best soldiers?

who does? certainly not most of the people in the army. they mostly are incompetent. it's why they need leadership.

again...you don't know what you are actually talking about.

my argument is simple: woman can serve, hence they are useful. if the argument is "should only the best soldiers be used", well, then it should be said that the best soldiers are usually in active duty as those whom lead, command, and train new soldiers. your logic here would be quite regressive, indeed. i'd refute it simply- but let's not go there- let's just presume that you didn't know what you were talking about.


you're all over the place. i can't even be bothered. i do think you should refute me simply though, it's got to be preferable to that gibberish screed you just spouted.


i made the screed for the purposes of outlining exactly how little you ascribe to in knowing.

you want more of a one-on-one approach?

women can serve, hence they should be allowed to serve; ie, there is no detriment to their serving, even in the front lines- tactics are paramount now, and "front lines" now consist of sitrep'd positions that are coordinatedly taken out, in teams...there is no more "front lines" in the traditional sense. any woman can drag a body, they do it every day.

there. refuted. retort?

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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: akira_akuma]
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What about all the rape the army has to cover up?


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Re: Transgender Navy Seal to Trump meet me face to face [Re: bodhisatta]
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the invisible war shouldn't even exist, like so many a war.

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