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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
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the elite owns the media. that's like the five richest families here.  free press my ass.  pull your head out.

lets say i have a story, say I sell my story to the highest bidder. it then becomes theirs to do what they want.  if it is damaging enough someone will pay big bucks to suppress it. 




watch putin on youtube.  what he says about the US government is true.  you will NEVER see that here.  find out for yourself, i am confident you'll start to see the truth and feel similar how i do.


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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: SirTripAlot] * 1
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SirTripAlot said:
DividedQuantum said:
No nation in history has meddled in the affairs of foreign gov'ts more than the U.S. But that's a discussion for a different thread. As I said, the sanctimony and hypocrisy are boundless.



Agreed.
Solution? If Trump redoubled efforts with Russia; what type of fallout?




I assume you mean diplomatic efforts, and if so, I'd have to say such a thing is politically impossible, no matter what Trump wants. Our collective heads are so far up our asses over this imbroglio that I'm afraid any sort of rapprochement seems impossible. We're really being reactionary and stupid in a lot of ways.


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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
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Psilynut2 said:
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I have no issue with the US media and people outside of the US voicing their opinions on anything, why do Democrats have problems with that action?



 
So Trump is at war the media because they don't say nice stuff about him and it's  democrats that are the ones with the problem ? I see Trump surrogates on CNN every day bitching nonstop about them not kissing the dear leaders ass .  You've got to be kidding me .
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"Trump is at war the media"

I don't know what that even means, Trump calls out the MSM on their bullshit, the majority of Americans find that very refreshing.

"democrats that are the one with the problem?"

Since they initiated a 7 month Congressional investigation that has gone nowhere, I would say that they are the one's with a problem.

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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: SomeOldGuy]
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:chump:





:presidential:



i win.


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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: sprinkles] * 1
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"Trump is at war the media"

I don't know what the even means, Trump calls out the MSM on their bullshit, the majority of Americans find that very refreshing.




Perhaps you should ask Trump what it means , he's the one saying he has a "running war with the media " 
  It must be really easy  being a a trump supporter , you dont have to like him , support what he does or even understand the words that come out of his mouth , you just have to hate liberals .


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Since they initiated a 7 month Congressional investigation that has gone nowhere, I would say that they are the one's with a problem.



Lol, Its going the same place the 2.5 year long Benghazi investigation is going . At least the email investigation won't be lonely .


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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: Psilynut2]
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...the fact that this didn't happen means the whole world wins.



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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: SomeOldGuy]
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I seriously doubt People who live in Cuba feel that way right now .


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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: Psilynut2] * 2
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Psilynut2 said:
...Putin basically controls what Russian media says and does.  Why do you prefer state run press over a free press ?



Have you ever been to Russia?  I was there last summer and I'm going again in August, as it's now an open capitalist country.  There are over 100 channels on tv, only a few of which are state owned.  They have CNN, BBC, Fox, and other private news channels, all of which can say whatever they want about Putin.

I'm seriously astounded that people still believe Russian tv is mostly state run, but Americans are among the world's dumbest when it comes to knowing things beyond our own borders.  :shrug:


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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: Psilynut2]
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if you mean the Cuban government who gives a fuck.

SOG


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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Psilynut2 said:
...Putin basically controls what Russian media says and does.  Why do you prefer state run press over a free press ?



Have you ever been to Russia?  I was there last summer and I'm going again in August, as it's now an open capitalist country.  There are over 100 channels on tv, only a few of which are state owned.  They have CNN, BBC, Fox, and other private news channels, all of which can say whatever they want about Putin.

I'm seriously astounded that people still believe Russian tv is mostly state run, but Americans are among the world's dumbest when it comes to knowing things beyond our own borders.  :shrug:




Good post. :thumbup:


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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: DividedQuantum]
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Have you ever been to Russia?  I was there last summer and I'm going again in August, as it's now an open capitalist country.  There are over 100 channels on tv, only a few of which are state owned.  They have CNN, BBC, Fox, and other private news channels, all of which can say whatever they want about Putin.

I'm seriously astounded that people still believe Russian tv is mostly state run, but Americans are among the world's dumbest when it comes to knowing things beyond our own borders.  :shrug:





Lol , I've been to Colombia 8 times , therefore I know everything there is to know about the place , including the govt .  I know exactly how corrupt the govt is and isn't .
  Only a few state run huh?  So i was partially right .


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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Psilynut2 said:
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Have you ever been to Russia?  I was there last summer and I'm going again in August, as it's now an open capitalist country.  There are over 100 channels on tv, only a few of which are state owned.  They have CNN, BBC, Fox, and other private news channels, all of which can say whatever they want about Putin.

I'm seriously astounded that people still believe Russian tv is mostly state run, but Americans are among the world's dumbest when it comes to knowing things beyond our own borders.  :shrug:





Lol , I've been to Colombia 8 times , therefore I know everything there is to know about the place , including the govt .  I know exactly how corrupt the govt is and isn't .
  Only a few state run huh?  So i was partially right .





what does colombia have to do with russia :confused:



Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Psilynut2 said:
...Putin basically controls what Russian media says and does.  Why do you prefer state run press over a free press ?



Have you ever been to Russia?  I was there last summer and I'm going again in August, as it's now an open capitalist country.  There are over 100 channels on tv, only a few of which are state owned.  They have CNN, BBC, Fox, and other private news channels, all of which can say whatever they want about Putin.

I'm seriously astounded that people still believe Russian tv is mostly state run, but Americans are among the world's dumbest when it comes to knowing things beyond our own borders.  :shrug:





beyond OR within


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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: DividedQuantum]
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I didnt notice this last week; it does lead to our discussion:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/21/russia-cancels-us-talks-ukraine-sanctions


Russia has canceled a planned round of talks with the US in protest at new sanctions imposed this week over Moscow’s military intervention in Ukraine.

US broadens Russia sanctions as Ukraine president visits Trump

The deputy foreign minister, Sergei Ryabkov, denounced the new sanctions, which expanded the list of individuals and organisations targeted by the US treasury, as the responsibility of “avid Russophobes” in Congress who were determined to derail US-Russian relations.

As a result, Ryabkov said he was cancelling a meeting with his US counterpart, Tom Shannon, in St Petersburg later this week – which was supposed to have been part of a continuing dialogue between Washington and Moscow aimed at reducing “irritants” in bilateral relations.


The sanctions, Ryabkov said, had meant that the circumstances were “not conducive to holding this round of dialogue, particularly as there is no agenda set out for it, as Washington does not to want to make concrete proposals.”

In response, the state department expressed regret and said the secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, was “open to future discussions.”

However, in a bluntly worded response to Ryabkov’s statement, the state department spokeswoman, Heather Nauert, insisted the new measures were intended to reinforce existing sanctions and were “designed to counter attempts to circumvent our sanctions.”

“Let’s remember that these sanctions didn’t just come out of nowhere. Our targeted sanctions were imposed in response to Russia’s ongoing violation of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of its neighbor, Ukraine,” Nauert said.

“If the Russians seek an end to these sanctions, they know very well the US position,” she added, saying that Moscow would have to abide fully by the Minsk agreement for resolving the conflict in Ukraine and “end its occupation” of Crimea.

Senate approves new Russia sanctions as punishment for meddling in election

The cancellation of the St Petersburg meeting and the stern exchange of statements are part of a marked dip in US-Russian relations despite Donald Trump’s efforts to improve them. In Congress, House allies of Trump have stalled a Senate bill that would intensify sanctions further and take the power to lift them out of his hands.


On Wednesday, a plane carrying the Russian defence minister, Sergei Shoigu, was approached by a Nato F-16 fighter over the Baltic Sea, prompting a Russian fighter jet to insert itself between the two planes and tilting its wings to show it was armed.

The mid-air incident came a day after another close encounter above the Baltic between US and Russian warplanes.

The Pentagon spokesman, Capt Jeff Davis, said: “Due to the high rate of speed, the poor control that the Russian pilot had of his aircraft during the intercept, the aircraft commander of the [US reconnaissance plane] RC 135 determined it to be unsafe. Such unsafe actions have the potential to cause serious harm and injury to all involved.”

Sweden also reported that a Russian plane had come close to one of its military aircraft over the Baltic on Monday.


The Russian defence minister put out a statement saying that two US “spy planes” had been making “provocative” manoeuvres.

In Syria, meanwhile, Moscow has announced it had suspended a hotline between the US and Russian militaries in Syria and that it would view as targets any coalition planes flying west of the Euphrates river. The Pentagon has played down the threat, saying it continued to operate west of the Euphrates.

“Public statements aside, we have not seen the Russians do any actions that cause us concern. We continue to operate, making some adjustments for prudent measures,” Davis said.

Maxim Suchkov, a political analyst and editor of al-Monitor’s Russian coverage, said Moscow’s decision to cancel the St Petersburg talks “is explained by that given the recent events in Syria and Ukraine, Russia wants to raise the stakes and attempts to take its own ‘position of strength’ vis-a-vis Washington.”

“I’d say it’s a risky move on the Russian side, since in Washington the message to suspend the talks may be read differently from what Moscow intended it to sound,” Suchkov said.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: demiu5]
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what does colombia have to do with russia :confused:




  Nothing , unless your are comparing them as places to to enjoy traveling to . Not sure why anyone would want to go to Russia twice .
I was pointing out that going to Russia doesn't mean you can Tell me Russia has a free press , that's bullshit .

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[In 2014, Russian authorities have blocked several independent media websites under a new law authorizing the prosecutor’s office to take that step without a court order. In May, President Vladimir Putin signed a law requiring bloggers with more than 3,000 unique daily visitors to register with the Russian state agency for media oversight, Roskomnadzor, and follow the same regulations as mass media. In July, Russia adopted new laws banning commercial advertising on cable and satellite television channels and criminalizing “separatist” calls./quote]

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/01/russia-drop-new-media-law


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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: DividedQuantum]
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erm....

the media is just dying for a story that'll matter (because they no longer matter)

and the Putin worshippering, Ruskie-loving, wanna-be Monarchists that we hear of these days are also impotent, not mattering, and are desperate to make a change in that regard...because the US doesn't satisfy them.

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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
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Psilynut2 said:
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what does colombia have to do with russia :confused:




  Nothing , unless your are comparing them as places to to enjoy traveling to . Not sure why anyone would want to go to Russia twice .
I was pointing out that going to Russia doesn't mean you can Tell me Russia has a free press , that's bullshit .

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[In 2014, Russian authorities have blocked several independent media websites under a new law authorizing the prosecutor’s office to take that step without a court order. In May, President Vladimir Putin signed a law requiring bloggers with more than 3,000 unique daily visitors to register with the Russian state agency for media oversight, Roskomnadzor, and follow the same regulations as mass media. In July, Russia adopted new laws banning commercial advertising on cable and satellite television channels and criminalizing “separatist” calls.




https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/01/russia-drop-new-media-law



you think we don't have state funded propaganda?

Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012
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A BILL

To amend the United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 to authorize the domestic dissemination of information and material about the United States intended primarily for foreign audiences, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. Short title.

This Act may be cited as the “Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012”.

SEC. 2. Dissemination abroad of information about the United States.

(a) United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948.—Section 501 of the United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 (22 U.S.C. 1461) is amended to read as follows:

“General authorization

“Sec. 501. (a) The Secretary and the Broadcasting Board of Governors are authorized to use funds appropriated or otherwise made available for public diplomacy information programs to provide for the preparation, dissemination, and use of information intended for foreign audiences abroad about the United States, its people, and its policies, through press, publications, radio, motion pictures, the Internet, and other information media, including social media, and through information centers, instructors, and other direct or indirect means of communication.

“(b)(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), the Secretary and the Broadcasting Board of Governors may, upon request and reimbursement of the reasonable costs incurred in fulfilling such a request, make available, in the United States, motion pictures, films, video, audio, and other materials prepared for dissemination abroad or disseminated abroad pursuant to this Act, the United States International Broadcasting Act of 1994 (22 U.S.C. 6201 et seq.), the Radio Broadcasting to Cuba Act (22 U.S.C. 1465 et seq.), or the Television Broadcasting to Cuba Act (22 U.S.C. 1465aa et seq.). The Secretary and the Broadcasting Board of Governors shall issue necessary regulations—

“(A) to establish procedures to maintain such material;

“(B) for reimbursement of the reasonable costs incurred in fulfilling requests for such material; and

“(C) to ensure that the persons seeking release of such material have secured and paid for necessary United States rights and licenses.

“(2) With respect to material prepared for dissemination abroad or disseminated abroad before the effective date of the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012—

“(A) the Secretary and the Broadcasting Board of Governors shall make available to the Archivist of the United States, for domestic distribution, motion pictures, films, videotapes, and other material 12 years after the initial dissemination of the material abroad; and

“(B) the Archivist shall be the official custodian of the material and shall issue necessary regulations to ensure that persons seeking its release in the United States have secured and paid for necessary United States rights and licenses and that all costs associated with the provision of the material by the Archivist shall be paid by the persons seeking its release, in accordance with paragraph (3).

“(3) The Archivist may charge fees to recover the costs described in paragraph (2), in accordance with section 2116(c) of title 44. Such fees shall be paid into, administered, and expended as part of the National Archives Trust Fund.

“(c) Nothing in this section may be construed to require the Secretary or the Broadcasting Board of Governors to make material disseminated abroad available in any format other than in the format disseminated abroad.”.

(b) Rule of construction.—Nothing in this section may be construed to affect the allocation of funds appropriated or otherwise made specifically available for public diplomacy.

(c) Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1986 and 1987.—Section 208 of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1986 and 1987 (22 U.S.C. 1461–1a) is amended to read as follows:

“SEC. 208. Clarification on domestic distribution of program material.

“(a) In general.—No funds authorized to be appropriated to the Department of State or the Broadcasting Board of Governors shall be used to influence public opinion in the United States. This section shall apply only to programs carried out pursuant to the United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 (22 U.S.C. 1431 et seq.), the United States International Broadcasting Act of 1994 (22 U.S.C. 6201 et seq.), the Radio Broadcasting to Cuba Act (22 U.S.C. 1465 et seq.), and the Television Broadcasting to Cuba Act (22 U.S.C. 1465aa et seq.). This section shall not prohibit or delay the Department of State or the Broadcasting Board of Governors from providing information about its operations, policies, programs, or program material, or making such available, to the media, public, or Congress, in accordance with other applicable law.

“(b) Rule of construction.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to prohibit the Department of State or the Broadcasting Board of Governors from engaging in any medium or form of communication, either directly or indirectly, because a United States domestic audience is or may be thereby exposed to program material, or based on a presumption of such exposure. Such material may be made available within the United States and disseminated, when appropriate, pursuant to sections 502 and 1005 of the United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 (22 U.S.C. 1462 and 1437), except that nothing in this section may be construed to authorize the Department of State or the Broadcasting Board of Governors to disseminate within the United States any program material prepared for dissemination abroad on or before the effective date of the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012.

“(c) Application.—The provisions of this section shall apply only to the Department of State and the Broadcasting Board of Governors and to no other department or agency of the Federal Government.”.

(d) Conforming amendments.—The United States Information and Educational Exchange Act of 1948 is amended—

(1) in section 502 (22 U.S.C. 1462)—

(A) by inserting “and the Broadcasting Board of Governors” after “Secretary”; and

(B) by inserting “or the Broadcasting Board of Governors” after “Department”; and

(2) in section 1005 (22 U.S.C. 1437), by inserting “and the Broadcasting Board of Governors” after “Secretary” each place it appears.

(e) Effective date.—This Act shall take effect and apply on the date that is 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.




Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act of 2016
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A BILL

To counter foreign disinformation and propaganda, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. Short title.

This Act may be cited as the “Countering Foreign Propaganda and Disinformation Act of 2016”.

SEC. 2. Sense of Congress.

It is the sense of Congress that—

(1) foreign governments, including the Governments of the Russian Federation and the People’s Republic of China, use disinformation and other propaganda tools to undermine the national security objectives of the United States and key allies and partners;

(2) the Russian Federation, in particular, has conducted sophisticated and large-scale disinformation campaigns that have sought to have a destabilizing effect on United States allies and interests;

(3) in the last decade disinformation has increasingly become a key feature of the Government of the Russian Federation’s pursuit of political, economic, and military objectives in Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, the Balkans, and throughout Central and Eastern Europe;

(4) the challenge of countering disinformation extends beyond effective strategic communications and public diplomacy, requiring a whole-of-government approach leveraging all elements of national power;

(5) the United States Government should develop a comprehensive strategy to counter foreign disinformation and propaganda and assert leadership in developing a fact-based strategic narrative; and

(6) an important element of this strategy should be to protect and promote a free, healthy, and independent press in countries vulnerable to foreign disinformation.

SEC. 3. Center for Information Analysis and Response.

(a) Establishment.—Not later than 180 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of State shall, in coordination with the Secretary of Defense, the Director of National Intelligence, the Broadcasting Board of Governors, and other relevant departments and agencies, establish a Center for Information Analysis and Response (in this section referred to as the “Center”). The purposes of the Center are—

(1) to lead and coordinate the collection and analysis of information on foreign government information warfare efforts, including information provided by recipients of information access fund grants awarded under subsection (e) and other sources;

(2) to establish a framework for the integration of critical data and analysis on foreign propaganda and disinformation efforts into the development of national strategy; and

(3) to develop, plan, and synchronize, in coordination with the Secretary of Defense, the Director of National Intelligence, the Broadcasting Board of Governors, and other relevant departments and agencies, whole-of-government initiatives to expose and counter foreign information operations directed against United States national security interests and proactively advance fact-based narratives that support United States allies and interests.

(b) Functions.—The Center shall carry out the following functions:

(1) Integrating interagency efforts to track and evaluate counterfactual narratives abroad that threaten the national security interests of the United States and United States allies.

(2) Collecting, integrating, and analyzing relevant information, including intelligence reporting, data, analysis, and analytics from United States Government agencies, allied nations, think-tanks, academic institutions, civil society groups, and other nongovernmental organizations.

(3) Developing and disseminating fact-based narratives and analysis to counter propaganda and disinformation directed at United States allies and partners.

(4) Identifying current and emerging trends in foreign propaganda and disinformation, including the use of print, broadcast, online and social media, support for third-party outlets such as think tanks, political parties, and nongovernmental organizations, and the use of covert or clandestine special operators and agents to influence targeted populations and governments in order to coordinate and shape the development of tactics, techniques, and procedures to expose and refute foreign misinformation and disinformation and proactively promote fact-based narratives and policies to audiences outside the United States.

(5) Facilitating the use of a wide range of technologies and techniques by sharing expertise among agencies, seeking expertise from external sources, and implementing best practices.

(6) Identifying gaps in United States capabilities in areas relevant to the Center’s mission and recommending necessary enhancements or changes.

(7) Identifying the countries and populations most susceptible to foreign government propaganda and disinformation.

(8) Administering the information access fund established pursuant to subsection (e).

(9) Coordinating with allied and partner nations, particularly those frequently targeted by foreign disinformation operations, and international organizations and entities such as the NATO Center of Excellence on Strategic Communications, the European Endowment for Democracy, and the European External Action Service Task Force on Strategic Communications, in order to amplify the Center’s efforts and avoid duplication.



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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said:
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what does colombia have to do with russia :confused:



Nothing , unless your are comparing them as places to to enjoy traveling to . Not sure why anyone would want to go to Russia twice.



I'm not sure why anyone would want to go to Columbia 8 times.  But I've never been there, so I won't judge Columbia.

Psilynut2 said:
I was pointing out that going to Russia doesn't mean you can Tell me Russia has a free press , that's bullshit .

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[In 2014, Russian authorities have blocked several independent media websites under a new law authorizing the prosecutor’s office to take that step without a court order. In May, President Vladimir Putin signed a law requiring bloggers with more than 3,000 unique daily visitors to register with the Russian state agency for media oversight, Roskomnadzor, and follow the same regulations as mass media. In July, Russia adopted new laws banning commercial advertising on cable and satellite television channels and criminalizing “separatist” calls.




https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/01/russia-drop-new-media-law



That law simply requires private Russian ownership of its media channels, so the West doesn't take over Russian media.  Its purpose is to defend Russian national sovereignty.

I'm not aware of any regulations in the new law around content.

The US needs to pass its own kind of media law imho so that 6 corporations don't own 90% of our media.  That's why most of us only know establishment approved news anymore.


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Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (06/26/17 12:23 AM)

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Re: The Hysteria over Russia [Re: ballsalsa]
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You do realize that neither of those bills were passed, right?


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