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Need advice on Anabolics* (steroids and non steroids)
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So i'm a bit older now and my body doesn't heal as well as it did 15 years ago or whatever. I've over come my shoulder/rotator cuff impingement and am now dealing with knee pain.

Mostly, the pain in my left knee is in the back, and the outer ligaments connecting the illotibial band. I have some issues with the ligaments of or near the illiopsoas, but i don't think what i'm asking for will really help with that.

I need to know what steroids are safe, which ones need to be paired together, how to take them and for how long. I'm pretty much only looking to speed up the recovery process as I'm doing intense persoanl training and just started some martial arts, all to potentially prepare me for something i may be undertaking towards the late 3rd or 4th quarter of the year. Can anyone enlighten me on this tooic? Much appreciated in advance. I know there must be some people on here that do use steroids. Again, i'm not really looking to do this long term, just short term to heal a bit faster from this and get up to speed in my training.

Edited by 404 (09/29/17 09:20 PM)

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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: 404]
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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: azur] * 1
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Don't practice martial arts if you aren't up to kiciking someone's ass.


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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: sunshine]
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gotta start somewhere

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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: 404]
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No.  You necessarily kick the ass or not.


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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: azur]
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azur said:
http://steroid-forums.com/



this forum is hella tedious. i reg'd and it's still being a difficult site.

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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: 404]
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You should get buff first without the steroids and see if you want to be extra scary after that.


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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: sunshine]
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I just want to use them short-term to heal up some minor tendon injuries in my knees. I am limited for time and I'm reaching the cut off point in age for some career choices. it's now or nah

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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: 404]
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Not really going to get a good advice here.

I dont know if there are  doctors or people who have first hand experience.

Talk to your doctor ..


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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: EternitySeeker]
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would if i had insurance.

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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: 404]
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There are much more ways imo.

You could go to a Gym and ask people even if it sounds weird.

Im sure there will be a doctor around anywhere who will have 2 minutes to help you out without cost ..


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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: EternitySeeker]
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I've asked my personal trainers and they don't know much about it at all.

Edited by 404 (06/02/17 08:03 AM)

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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: 404] * 1
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So, based on what you've said I think you're gonna want to stick with what's tried and true and look at an 8-12 week testosterone only cycle. Don't make things complicated your first time.

That does mean you'll have to inject, frequency dependant on what testosterone ester you choose to go with (cyp, enth, or prop - have a read).

More important is to ensure your PCT and ancillaries are correct. AFAIK, current best protocol is to run an AI and HCG on cycle, and to run clomid and nolva during PCT.

I'm sure a lot of these acronyms don't mean much right now, but have a google and a read and get back to me if you've any more questions.

And above all - good luck man. I really hope that you get what you need from this.


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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: Jokeshopbeard] * 3
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Don't use steroids for healing ligaments or tendons. Use some peptides like TB-500, BPC-157, and IGF-1. Not gonna mess with your hormones like steroids so you won't have to spend extra money on balancing them out or risk dealing with any crash afterwards. And you probably won't get any bothersome side effects, if you do, they'll be very tolerable.


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Edited by Eminence (06/02/17 02:45 AM)

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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: Eminence]
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I was just about to post in here about the peptide chains, tb500 and BPC-157 :thumbup: These particular compounds look extremely promising in helping reduce recovery times for my injuries. I think paired with the ibutamoren, which helps increase Growth Hormone, I'd stand to benefit quite a bit from these.

The thing about ostarine on the other hand, is that it and other SARMs were specifically designed to give a boost to the body with the LEAST amount of side effects that you would stand to get from normal anabolic steroids. SARMs are Selective Androgenic Receptor Modulators and aren't even supposed to be agonists of the receptors I believe?

There are some reports of it potentially causing Testosterone suppression for a short while after, but the reports are very few and the people I've talked to say they've never really seen anyone post tested results from the doctors showing this but take that with a grain of salt by all means. The people in the videos I've been watching give mixed reports on Nolvadex and the other few that are used as PCT or Post Cycle Therapy, some use them some dont, and a lot say it's not really necessary though you can still benefit from use. 
I think it would be safe to add this one to my list for two weeks on a low to medium dose, or just leave it out altogether

I don't know a whole lot about injecting the peptides, but have been told that I would just need to inject into the knee. Which makes me wonder, do I need it directly into the affected ligaments...? or just in the knee area in general...?

Feel like I'm leaving something out here...

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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: 404]
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I haven't tried many SARMs so I can't say much about the majority of them..I've tried RAD-140 and YK-11, but some people have said YK-11 is actually a steroid. That kinda scared me  when I read that right after I ended that cycle cuz I went into it thinking I'd just take it and come off without needing anything afterwards, but I seemed to be fine. But that stuff was pretty awesome for strength. SARM's won't shut you down, but I also heard they can be kind of suppressive though. I bet you'd even be fine with just taking some d-aspartic acid if you even did need anything afterwards. I never took anything after RAD-140 either and I was fine.

And that would probably be really shitty to have to inject directly into a ligament or tendon. You can use it IM or subQ, I'd go with the subQ route since you can just pinch a little skin on your stomach or anywhere really, I'd assume. I hear you can even take it orally, but I haven't looked into how cost effective that would be.


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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: Eminence]
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I have also heard i can dose it orally...  if i end up having to inject it however, i'm going to maybe have one of my medically trained EMT buddies do it for* me as I don't really care for needles anyway.

Anyway, what's the difference between shitting down and suppression? Shutting down is a complete stop yeah? And suppression - does it last forever or does your body typically come out of it on it's own?

Edited by 404 (06/03/17 06:19 PM)

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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: 404]
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It would level out on its own if it even does suppress you. Like I said I didn't even feel different hormonally after taking the SARMs I took, I just don't wanna say it's the same for all of them because I haven't even researched them all. I bet your EMT friends would even tell you it's totally doable for you to inject subQ on your own. It's really easy. You barely feel anything, as long as you're using a small enough gauge at least but if you're using an insulin syringe like you should be with peptides, then it's already going to be meant for subQ injections anyway.


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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: Eminence]
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20225319

BPC-157 improves Ligament Healing.
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We improved medial collateral ligament (MCL) healing throughout 90 days after surgical transection. We introduced intraperitoneal, per-oral (in drinking water) and topical (thin cream layer) peptide therapy always given alone, without a carrier. Previously, as an effective peptide therapy, stable gastric pentadecapeptide BPC 157 (GEPPPGKPADDAGLV, an anti-ulcer peptide effective in inflammatory bowel disease therapy (PL 14736)) particularly improved healing of transected tendon and muscle and wound healing effect including the expression of the early growth response 1 (egr-1) gene. After MCL transection BPC 157 was effective in rats when given once daily intraperitoneally (10 microg or 10 ng/kg) or locally as a thin layer (1.0 microg dissolved in distilled water/g commercial neutral cream) at the site of injury, first application 30 min after surgery and the final application 24 h before sacrifice. Likewise, BPC 157 was effective given per-orally (0.16 microg/ml in the drinking water (12 ml/day/rat)) until sacrifice. Commonly, BPC 157 microg-ng-rats exhibited consistent functional, biomechanical, macroscopic and histological healing improvements. Thus, we suggest BPC 157 improved healing of acute ligament injuries in further ligament therapy.







Human growth hormone may be detrimental when used to accelerate recovery from acute tendon-bone interface injuries.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23636184

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BACKGROUND:

There have been few scientific studies that have examined usage of human growth hormone to accelerate recovery from injury. The hypothesis of this study was that human growth hormone would accelerate tendon-to-bone healing compared with control animals treated with placebo in a rat model of acute rotator cuff injury repair.
METHODS:

Seventy-two rats underwent repair of acute rotator cuff injuries and were randomized into the following postoperative dosing regimens: placebo, and human growth hormone at 0.1, 1, 2, 5, and 10 mg/kg/day, administered subcutaneously once per day for fourteen days (Protocol 1). An additional twenty-four rats were randomized to receive either (1) placebo or (2) human growth hormone at 5 mg/kg, administered subcutaneously twice per day for seven days preoperatively and twenty-eight days postoperatively (Protocol 2). All rats were killed twenty-eight days postoperatively. Mechanical testing was performed. Ultimate stress, ultimate force, stiffness, energy to failure, and ultimate distension were determined.
RESULTS:

For Protocol 1, analysis of variance testing showed no significant difference between the groups with regard to ultimate stress, ultimate force, stiffness, energy to failure, or ultimate distension. In Protocol 2, ultimate force to failure was significantly worse in the human growth hormone group compared with the placebo group (21.1 ± 5.85 versus 26.3 ± 5.47 N; p = 0.035). Failure was more likely to occur through the bone than the tendon-bone interface in the human growth hormone group compared with the placebo group (p = 0.001). No significant difference was found for ultimate stress, ultimate force, stiffness, energy to failure, or ultimate distension between the groups in Protocol 2.
CONCLUSIONS:

In this rat model of acute tendon-bone injury repair, daily subcutaneous postoperative human growth hormone treatment for fourteen days failed to demonstrate a significant difference in any biomechanical parameter compared with placebo. Furthermore, subcutaneous administration of 5 mg/kg of human growth hormone twice daily from seven days preoperatively until twenty-eight days postoperatively demonstrated lower loads to ultimate failure and a higher risk of bone fracture failure compared with placebo.




I don't have tendon to bone tears I don't think? I think the tears are just in the tendons themselves.

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Re: Need help picking out a proper steroid cycle for health reasons [Re: 404]
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answered my question.

>>do i need to inject into the actual affected ligaments or the surrounding area?
It depends on the peptide.
with TB500, you can do subcutaneous injections near the site, but with other compounds you may actually need to inject closer to the site. tb-500 is reported to be able to travel farther in the body than bpc-157

On that note, I've ordered TB-500. Very interested to see what effects it has on my lost hairline in addition to my bad shoulder knee, and elbow.



SO! i have started another cycle of Ostarine. This time, I wish to hold it up for an entire month and stop use. I will not use it for longer than 4 weeks (at 10-12 days now), as the longer you use it the more chance of suppression you stand to get from it. After I will not use it for at least 8-12 weeks.

My main question now is again the post cycle therapy... I may make a thread devoted entirely to PCT if I can today depending on the response I get from this. Old threads tend to die out. Appreciate all the help I've gotten so far!


What kinds of brands and supplement types have you used, if at all, for post cycle therapy? I am looking at something called PCT Assist, which has mucuna pruriens and other things


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Trans Resveratrol (50%)

Trans Resveratrol is a natural compound that is found in the skin of red grapes. It has a number of overall health benefits due to its antioxidant properties and is well known for its cardiovascular benefits, but the primary reason for its inclusion in PCT Assist is for its potential to help control estrogen and maximize natural testosterone levels.

Trans Resveratrol works at the receptor level to block estrogen receptors. The benefit there is two fold as it helps eradicate estrogen while also helping to boost natural testosterone production. It is a unique compound in that it has the capability of modulating estrogen receptors as well as controlling aromatase.

Indole-3-Carbinol (I3C)

Indole-3-Carbinol (I3C) is a naturally occurring phytochemical found such vegetables as broccoli and cabbage. It is included in PCT Assist due to its effect on modulating estrogen metabolism. I3C is thought to help increase beneficial estrogen metabolites while decreasing the ‘bad’ estrone metabolites.

Icariin (40%) (Horny Goat Weed)

Icariin is derived from Horny Goat Weed. There are numerous standardizations available, but for the purpose of inclusion in PCT Assist, we selected the ultra potent 40% extract.

Icariin is thought to increase circulating testosterone levels as well as help improve sex drive, making it an excellent addition during the post cycle therapy period. In addition, it is thought that two of the metabolites of icariin may be potent estrogen receptor antagonists, making it even more synergistic with resveratrol.

Mucuna Pruriens SE (Precision Blended 95% & 20% Extracts)

Mucuna Pruriens is an adaptogenic herb that helps increase LH (Luteinizing hormone) which can lead to increases in testosterone production and release. It can also significantly help elevate levels of growth hormone (GH) in the body, and lower prolactin levels by increasing dopamine neurotransmitter synthesis.

Piperine (95%)

Piperine is included in the PCT Assist formula due to its ability to enhance absorption of nutrients and phytochemicals in the intestines. It is also thought to inhibit the glucuronidase enzyme, which is an enzyme that degrades resveratrol.




One thing to note here is that Piperine actually DECREASES Testosterone output. It is not good, but is in the mix to help the absorption of trans resveratrol.

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